The Grind-Cast “Coach Chris Williams, Bill “Hutch” Hutchinson & Gregg “The Lumberjack” Rudolph”

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What's up gang?

Welcome to another episode of The Grindcast.

Get ready.

It's a new day.

We got our man Bill Hutchinson, AKA Hutch to my right.

We have coach Chris Williams with the Academy over here next to Bill.

We have Greg Rudolph, AKA the lumberjack with me.

We're going to talk a little bit of fight game and preparation.

We're going to first introduce the world to Bill Hutchinson.

They call him Hutch currently.

And I was talking to him before this.

I don't know if anybody is out there doing what he's doing, which is pursuing a life and

career in law, currently going to law school, pursuing a law degree, getting ready to attend

pit.

Yeah.

Pit law and currently also a professional boxing boxer and fighter.

Currently 18 and two.

And everybody's already knows and has been exposed to Greg Rudolph also undefeated and

boxing undefeated in MMA.

Coach Chris Williams.

I have the pleasure of working with on a weekly basis right and early in the morning,

up here in the in the mad at room, in the ground room, and also coming off a huge, huge

win with comma worthy and coach Williams, the upset and $50,000 bonus at the UFC on

four days.

Notice comma worthy here in Pittsburgh.

So we got coach Chris in the house.

So why don't we start off with talking to Hutch about, tell us what it's like to pursue

a degree in law and work the work ethic looks like to make something like that possible

and then come off.

You just recently fought.

You were mentioning a couple of weeks before that.

Coach Chris is meeting at five o'clock in the morning and we're blending out.

Talk to us a little bit about that.

So a lot of people don't understand.

They see a second round knockout.

They see a quick victory and they're like, it was easy.

Well, that's nothing but horse shit.

I mean, two, two, three months before that, I'm working my ass off.

I'm getting up at 4 a.m. I'm not getting home to eat dinner and shower till 9 p.m.

And that's day in, day out that wears on you.

People don't understand that you do that for a week yet.

That's cute.

Well, guess what I'm doing that for months on end because my drive, my focus, I got serious

goals and I will attain them and that's the bottom line.

My man, Chris, he's coming to meet me at 5 a.m. in the morning just so I can get my

training and no one's doing that.

You know what I mean?

That's why he's my man.

That's why he's going to take me to the top.

That's why you're seeing him have success with other fighters because that's his work.

That's my ethic too.

That's why we're a perfect team because he has that same mindset that I have that we're

getting it done no matter what it takes and I appreciate that.

That's the kind of thing that gets me going and that's the kind of thing that makes me

have the success that I am having.

Just wait till you see what we have in store.

We have so much going on coming here in the future very, very quickly.

So how about, how do you even schedule in the training in between classes and from what

I understand and I'm far from a law student.

But of course.

But what I understand, it's a lot of time, it's a lot of hours, it's a lot of focus.

I've heard things such as most people don't even try to hold a job if they're pursuing

a law.

You can't.

You can't.

You're literally, your first year of law school, they literally made me sign a paper that says

that I would not have a job.

Like you know what I mean?

That is your full time job.

There is no playing games about it.

So how do you factor in training?

How do you schedule training?

Well you just start losing sleep.

That's the bottom line.

You only get a couple hours a night and you just got to make it work.

You got to get up at four in the morning.

You can't slow down, sit down to have dinner till 9 pm.

That's just what it takes.

That's just what it is.

If you want to succeed in multiple, from multiple avenues.

You know what I mean?

That's where I'm coming from because I have the ability to do that and that's what I

want to do.

I put that pressure on myself and I put that schedule on myself.

You're training sometimes five o'clock in the morning?

Absolutely, that's every day.

So what goes through your mind?

How do you, you know, people ask, well how do you do that?

People ask me all the time.

How do you get up?

What time do you get up?

How does that happen?

What goes through your mind?

How do you discipline yourself to do that?

I would just answer that by saying, how bad do you want it?

How bad do you want it?

That's the bottom line.

Do you want it be successful?

Well, this is what it takes.

This is what people are doing.

This is what people aren't doing.

You know what I mean?

That's what I'm doing because I will be successful.

And again, it's two separate things, you know, with the law school, I'm putting my time

in there.

I'm making sure that I'm being competitive there.

You know, I was a top five percent of my class.

You know, I mean, this isn't some game that I'm just floating by.

I'm making sure that I'm succeeding in that avenue as well.

You're already a year in law school.

Yeah, absolutely.

Back from California where he was what top five in your top five.

You know, it was training all of a sudden.

It was three blocks away from a boxing gym, boxing every day.

Let's talk a little bit about your schedule.

You know, me and this dude here are huge on schedule and everything.

I mean, like when we go out on a date with our wife, when we do things with our kids,

when we wake up, when we lunch, when we cook, I mean, do you have a set schedule?

I know you kind of train at night in the morning and it kind of offsets every week and

it's different with Chris's schedule and everything, but do you have a set schedule that you

like to fly by?

Yeah, I try my best, you know, to do that when I can.

You know, so now, you know, this next year's school, you know, my classes are Tuesday, Wednesday,

Thursday.

I kind of jammed them in there to where I'll have mornings and nights to do my training.

Mondays and Fridays, I'm trying to lock up an internship right now.

So I can stay in that mindset, stay in that work and then if I can feel that indoor in the

day, that'd be great.

If not, you know, you know, I have my shop and everything that you know, that it's just

multiple.

So it's a work training and an internship.

Yeah.

You're fucking crazy.

Yeah.

I love it though.

That's what it takes.

I mean, I'm trying to set myself up.

My goal is to come out of law school completely debt free.

You know what I mean?

I mean, I'm trending towards that right now.

So that that's what's fighting doing.

That's what my business is doing.

You know, it's just multiple facets of my business.

I have Hutch towing, auto body and mechanical, down in Kraft and me and my father owned it

together.

And we do everything.

Everything that you can imagine on your vehicle, we're taking care of it.

And you're towing.

Yeah, absolutely.

We got a good body shop too.

Say over barcow here.

We got a tag here.

I got a car.

I got a car.

You'll see me pulling in the trunk.

I'm going to throw a big bodywork.

Go see Hutch as that was my plug for the day.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Coach Chris, how did you, how did you become?

I'm a boxing coach.

And what is it taken to get to where you are today coming off of, you know, I've been

talked to you, you know, yet since I was jumping around like a little kid, you know, watching

you on a UFC corner in a UFC man.

What was that feeling like and then rewinding?

How did you even get into coaching boxing and what did it take to get to this point?

I'm just taking it all the way back from day one.

I started up in Carrick at the Carrick boxing gym and I started, I was, I was coaching

myself and kind of coach and in training, fighting, kind of figuring out what I wanted to

do.

Started with a kid named Christian George trained him.

He got pretty good.

Kind of was in and out and I was just up here on my own and Matt Layshoff, Greg Rudolph came

up, started working with me, started training Greg, Matt Bill through Matt and I'm from there,

just kind of grew.

Then Greg, Greg started the out of Pittsburgh fight club, got me out there and from there,

it's just, I mean, opportunity, opportunity after opportunity from Greg and Matt and Bill,

I can't thank him enough.

What goes through your mind?

You know, your work ethic is impeccable, you know, from what I understand.

You know, you're meeting him at five o'clock in the morning, you're meeting me at six o'clock,

you know, six o'clock in the morning.

Coming from, you know, 30, 45 minutes away, you know, I hear Hutch talking about working

out at five and then training again later on, sounds like, you know, people talk about

a nine to five, you know, it sounds like you got a five to nine, a five a.m. to nine

p.m. grind.

Chris, I know, I know, you know, I've seen that type of stuff out of you.

What is it taken for you to get to where you are today?

You know, there's a lot of people that coach boxing, there's a lot of people that have gyms,

but there's not a lot of people who have had the amount of success that you've had with

some of the people that you've worked with.

What do you think it takes at your level to make those things happen?

What sacrifices have you made?

What work have you put in that you could articulate to the listener?

The first thing that says you always put the fighter first period, like, we're the, as a

coach, we're not, I see these guys with their names all over their shirts and stuff.

It's not about us.

It's about Hutch, it's about Kama.

It's about, you know, all the fighters, you got to put them first and that's first and

foremost, you always have to put the fighter first.

You know, we're the, without me, they're saying work in, but I'm the offensive line.

Hey, nobody cares about me.

You know, I'm the drummer in the band.

This is the lead singer, you know, so you always put the fighter first, keeping your ego

in check and serving your people.

You serve first because without them, you're nothing.

Hutch, have you, have you, do you schedule your days in advance to make all this stuff work?

Absolutely.

I try to almost on a weekly basis, what do you think, Chris?

Like Friday Saturday, we call each other, we kind of schedule it out for the week.

We see, you know, what his schedule is like, well, my schedule is like, how can we make

this work?

We got to get together X amount of times where, we're, you know, X amount of weeks out

from the fight.

This is how much we want to work.

This is when we want to work.

We don't want to burn out necessarily, but okay, we need to get this much technique in

now.

We need to get this much done in this week.

You know, we'll set that out to the best of our ability.

Obviously, things fluctuate and change and there's variables and crazy shit happens.

Of course, but we try our best to stay on the schedule.

I think we've done a great job with that and stay and prepare and stay and organize

in that manner.

With a plan, too, we work out like right now, we're basically focusing on habits.

What we're doing good, what we're doing bad, focusing on just making him a better fighter

all around.

Then once we get a target for our next fight date, now we can start zeroing in on a particular

game plan.

And without giving it away, just piggybacking on what he just said, talking about habits,

without necessarily giving it away what it was.

We went back even on that last knockout.

It was almost irrelevant, but I was still doing a habit that we have worked on post shot,

if you will, that ended the fight.

And we're like, hey, did you see that?

This is what we were working on.

We were working it before you hit.

We came in and he was like, did you see that?

Yeah.

A lot of things I do with my clients is what I'm working on, like what I'm working on

with Hatch.

I'll take it to the client and just get him to pick it with them and get better with it.

It's a no-brainer.

Two birds won't stop.

So if you mess it up, I ain't doing it.

That's the bottom.

All right, that's shit, don't worry.

Coach Chris, tell me why don't you tell us what it was like going into the fight with

Kama.

How did that come about?

One minute, you're local doing some local stuff in Pittsburgh.

The next minute, you're in California on less than a week's notice.

What was all of that like?

How did that transpire?

How did that feel like?

Walk us through that week.

Okay.

Well, that week, I woke up.

Well, we knew maybe like a few weeks ahead of time that we might get that fight and we

were like, yep, we're in and then they went with somebody else.

So I told my friends, I was actually going up Tion S to the week prior, hanging out with

my friends, drinking, floating down the river.

And I'm like, hey, if we get this fight, I'm not going to be there.

We're not going to have to train.

So we didn't get the fight.

I'm up there and I get back Sunday.

Kama calls me by two phone calls by 6.30 on Monday and I'm like, look at this, something's

wrong.

So I call him and he's, hey, man, we got the fight.

This and that.

So we were on a plane by 6.30 p.m.

That evening.

That day.

That day.

We were there 6.30 p.m.

The flight was rough.

It was late.

We didn't get into like 12.31.

We'd be back up at 5 a.m.

He had medicals all day long until about 8 p.m.

And then finally Wednesday settled in and he was cutting away the entire time.

And we had media days when Wednesday, Thursday, I game planned on, we got there Monday.

I was game planning to the Denys at 2 a.m.

Had things, had things ready to go by Wednesday and we were earning the dot during the week

and he executed to perfection.

What was it like on that day after the win?

Honestly, it really didn't register with me being on the inside.

And I knew what the odds were and everything.

And I just didn't really, I didn't pay attention to any of the outside talk or the media.

We never paid attention to that.

So I didn't really realize until after and I sort of read all the interviews and seeing

all, you know, everybody saying.

Big, underdog on the floor.

Yeah, stars born overnight.

And this and that.

And I'm like, I really didn't realize how much of an underdog people seen us as because

to be quite honest with you like, I was on, not the sound arrogant, but I was on the inside.

I, me and master White Fang made the game plan and I knew if karma executed, he would win.

I knew he would win.

Now, that emphatically, that's something else.

We expected to take the Vonte into the deeper rounds, pepper him up and start and finish

him late.

But calm, find the button and boom.

I mean, you want to know what my favorite part of that fight was?

What's that?

Favorite part of that fight was, you can relate to this because if Chris has ever cornered

you in a fight, he's extremely loud, the loudest person in the arena.

Nice.

Okay.

I'm.

like he's got that Yinzer.

Yeah, stick, stick.

I mean, he's yelling.

So all I can hear is stick, comma, stick.

And then when he goes to slap his hand,

like, yeah, what's up buddy, we're fighting.

He's like, don't you fucking do that, comma?

Don't do that.

I'm just laughing my ass off like this motherfucker.

Well, that's fun.

That's funny.

You ask that because everybody keeps asking about that.

Like me screaming at comma saying don't be friends.

Cause that's a fucking war.

Right.

Well, here's the thing.

You're in war.

There's a little backstory to that because it's more so.

It wasn't so much Devontan comma where I like Devontas much as the next guy.

And it wasn't so much that they were friends.

He's a fantastic person.

It wasn't so much that they were friends that night.

And I felt that comma was being too friendly as it appeared to everyone else on the broadcast.

That was, there's more backstory to that where comma is such a sportsman that I've seen

fights where the beginning of the fight dude doesn't want to touch hands.

And then after two, two rounds of comma kicking his ass, all of a sudden he wants to touch

hands.

The reason they're touching hands is because they're trying to solve them the mood that

they don't like what's going on right now.

And I know that that's what Devonta was doing.

And so I didn't want to, I didn't want to call him a foul for that.

You know what I mean?

And it's just we argue about that.

But you know, he's such a sportsman in a time.

See, after the fight, that you know, calm was trying to get to him to see if he was okay.

And the lady would let him.

He's like, that's my dog.

Right.

Let me go see if he's okay.

And she's like, no, he goes in your corner.

Even from my perspective, when I after the fight, I walked over to his team, shook their

hand.

I, you know, as much as I was flipping out and screaming and excited, that's passion.

Right after the fight, I walked over to coach Mark Montoya, I tore my look up to him.

And seeing Devonta was hard.

It was.

That we had to have our right.

Or you don't want to.

He had to.

Yeah.

That was hard.

It was a tough spot.

It really was.

You know, one thing I, we just had our leadership school and Greg could have, I was bringing

up the connection of the two.

You know, I saw a comment said something like, you know, but before the fight, we stay ready

so we don't have to get ready.

And so, you know, opportunity, knocks, and you got to have your bags packed.

And imagine, you know, I, I've been doing the, you know, Jiu Jitsu.

I've been doing this 10 years.

I've been, I got friends that are tons of friends that are fighters and help people

prepare and all of that.

You know, I know it's very normal in, you know, when you don't have a fight necessarily

scheduled to be just not prepared, you know, kicking, you know, kicking it, drinking, you

know, hanging way over weight, you know, stuff like that.

You know, talk anything to staying ready.

You know, what's it like to coach Hutch or, or comma?

Is there anything that you, that you see in them that maybe stands out versus others

in the preparation or mindset at all?

Um, yeah, focus.

Work ethic.

It's just like it's, I myself specifically, I have a samples, I have a standard that

I set for my fighters that it's going to be like, this is the way it is.

You need to work out this much.

You need to, there's a lot of fighters that want to come to the gym and do their own thing

and they want yes, man, people to, they can't be that way.

This is the way it is.

You have to work out this way.

If you don't like it, you're not going to be successful.

Yeah.

And as far as like specific things, it's just always on time, always, always on time, both

of them.

Even if, like as far as I'm concerned from, from my schedule, as Hutch was saying,

like, we'll text each other the weekend coming up as I do with you.

Hey, what are we going to do this week with everyone?

It's I write my schedule up.

I by the end of the week, I got scratch marks all over it because they hit me up.

Hey, you know, I, I got a work late.

Can we, can we reschedule?

Yep, I have to because we got a fight coming up.

You know, I'm going to reschedule my scores.

So it all works around them.

And then I filter in everything else.

Hutch, what's what's next?

What's next?

Where have you fought?

I know you fought in Vegas.

Have you?

Vegas, West Virginia, all over the place.

I've been, I fought at the Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas.

I fought at the House of Blues in the Linux city, fought in Mountaineer, Baton Rouge, obviously

Pittsburgh.

I've been all over.

I'm not, I'm not afraid to go to enemy territory.

In fact, that'll, that'll probably be the mission early next year.

We have a, we have a very clear and organized plan set in place to obtain big fights, meaningful

fights, world ranking, to be, you know, for certain sanctioning bodies for the, for the

title belts, very shortly.

November, I have a couple target dates.

I can't necessarily announce that yet because, you know, I don't want to be a liar.

I don't want to be wrong, but we're working towards that very quickly Monday.

I have a couple meetings to secure a date and a venue that I really want, but it will

be here in Pittsburgh bottom line.

It will be November.

It will be here in Pittsburgh.

And that fight is going to parlay into some, to some very big things.

And it's very exciting because right now in, in boxing in this area, I'm going to be bringing

a lot of opportunities for other fighters because a lot of, a lot of important eyeballs

are here right now on me.

Well, guess what?

Before my fight, they're still there and they can be on you too.

So that's what I'm, I'm excited about, you know, I have a lot of friends that, you know,

come and fight on my undercard and, and help me train and help help you with sparring

and all this thing.

And this is kind of my way to give back to, to show them, you know, hey, here's the platform

that you can bring your own career up right now.

Okay.

And I didn't have those opportunities, but I'm giving these guys these opportunities right

now because these guys that are coming to scout me and, and then the, you know, take

me to where I want to go.

They're here for you too, right now, whether they know it or not because they're here.

So take advantage.

And November, we're going to have something really, really big popping off and early next year,

February, early March.

Like I said, I have a set schedule, a set plan because I'm going to be a world champion.

It's just how it is.

And if you don't like it, I'm sorry, but it is what it is.

Come on.

I love it.

What, how long you been doing this?

Man, we're going to say like 18 years, bro, I've been in this game a long, long time.

I've been putting my working for a long, long time.

I didn't have, I didn't have a vast amateur background.

However, I was more or less like a gym legend.

I was always in the gym.

I was always sparring everybody.

I was always sparring heavy weights and doing stupid shit like that.

That's kind of how I got my, my respect.

That's how everybody kind of knew me.

I think even people that absolutely hate me and are jealous of me, I don't think anyone

would ever say I was a bitch.

I don't think anyone would ever say that I was afraid to fight anybody.

I don't think anyone would ever say that, you know, I don't have a chin or that I don't

hit hard.

There's certain things that you can't say about me.

And I think all of those things would apply.

I agree.

I think that, you know, there's a lot of local fighters with padded records and by

padded records, I mean, they're flying and, you know, walk over wins and easy wins.

You know, ever since I've known this kid, he wants that fight, that he wants that dog

fight.

You know, he wants that, that win to mean something.

You know, I mean, he has a great reputation.

I think that's why he has a lot of respect.

But, you know, we've probably been what training together for six, seven years now, six

years probably.

Yes, sounds about right.

You first started training with Chris and Matt.

You weren't the person you are right now.

No.

You really weren't.

You weren't there mentally.

You weren't there physically.

I mean, the past six years, I mean, you've worked with Jason DeRose.

You've worked with Matt.

Matt Couch.

You know, with legacy.

Yep.

I mean, you do next level shit.

Yeah.

And I've seen you time and time and time again, just keep gradually gaining these inches.

And I was like I was telling him earlier, I always know when something's about to happen

in this fight because he gets these razor sharp, just like tunnel vision eyeballs.

It's kind of fucking scary looking.

And he's just focused.

And I'm like, all right, he's ready to go.

Like he's going to, something's going to pop off.

Well, I think that that just kind of, again, piggybacking on what you just said, it's, it,

you can attest that to a couple different things.

Just in foremost, you can attest that to my constant hunger to continue to learn.

Okay.

I understand that I've made it this far and I also understand that this isn't my endgame

understand.

Right.

So I'm constantly looking for the latest and greatest ways to better myself.

You know what I mean?

So whether that be strength conditioning, whether that be recovery, whether that be techniques

with Chris, whether that be, it doesn't matter.

I'm constantly looking to evolve.

I'm constantly looking to better myself and put myself in the best possible way, the

best possible formula to succeed.

And I've continued to that.

That's rare.

Yeah.

That humble spirit.

Once you start winning, you know, 18 and two, you're winning more than, then you've lost,

you know, how do you keep that humble spirit that I got to, I got to get better.

I got to keep getting better because I'm not where I want to be.

I'm not content.

You know what I mean?

I don't have millions of dollars in the bank.

I don't have a world title belt around my waist.

And even then I guarantee you, I'll, I'll be back here and we'll be talking about what

next because I'm just, I've never been content.

I'm always hungry to succeed more and more and more.

I want more.

I want to be better.

And it's not a greed thing as much as it's a, I know what I'm capable of.

You know what I mean?

Like, you know, we talked about going to law school and succeeding there.

We talked about succeeding in the ring.

We talked about, you know, succeeding in whatever it is that I'm doing.

But, you know, I honestly, truly believe in my heart that I could do anything.

I honestly believe that I could succeed in anything.

And hey, I'm also an objective guy.

So maybe I'm delusional.

But guess what?

If you think for one second that I don't believe in myself, then you're fucking delusional.

Right.

About that.

That's where it starts.

Talk, talk to us about coming off a loss.

Yeah, that adversity.

Well, I think that's what really woke me up.

Okay, there was a lot of grimy bullshit that went into my last loss.

I'm gonna even have to dig into that.

But the bottom line is, is that I still could have won that last fight that I lost.

Sure.

And I didn't.

You know what I'm saying?

So I can make a million excuses and believe me, they're legitimate.

But fuck all that.

The bottom line is I got in the ring and I didn't get it done.

So I went home and I said, you know what?

I mean, they're all in or all out.

That's either never been a fucking happen again or I'm done.

I'm not gonna fight anymore.

Obviously, I decided to correct everything around me.

I decided to make the best possible team around me I possibly could.

From every aspect, Chris, Jason DeRose, it's faster in his whole team, which is phenomenal.

Matt Bernetta, legacy medical centers who's the fucking man takes care of a million things.

I mean, I have the best possible team around me that shit.

I almost can't.

I can't lose because I don't got excuses.

Do you understand what I'm saying?

I got to make it happen and I make sure that I do not just for myself, but for them to

make them look good.

You know, I want Chris to be successful.

I want people to understand that right now he is the hottest boxing trainer in the game,

especially in Pittsburgh.

Fuck you.

It's not even comparable at the moment.

What do you think makes Chris so good?

Like I was saying before because he has that same mindset as me.

He is humble.

Don't get me wrong.

But he's hungry.

You know what I mean?

He's hungry for success.

He's down to grind.

He's down to grind professional poker player too.

Well, and a good one.

Well, you know what, he made the right bet.

You know what I'm saying?

He had to say bet right here.

He had the easy money right here.

I want to talk about something before we get off topic.

Now a lot of people that don't understand boxing and that have never done it or any type

of combat sport like this, it takes a lot of discipline.

And you have to give up a lot.

And you've been at it consecutively.

I mean, like constantly for the past five, six years without really taking that much of

a break.

All right.

So the hardest part for me when I was training was what I had to give up.

I like to drink.

It's not a secret like I like to go home and have a couple drinks.

If you're in fight camp, there's none of that shit.

There's no meeting your boys at Wing Night having two beers.

There's no going to the wedding.

Your best friend's wedding and drinking.

There's no going out and meeting your boys at the club.

I mean, you're so exhausted from training in the morning and in the night to give your

girlfriend or your wife time to go on a date.

I mean, there's really none of that shit.

So how do you stay focused to do that?

One thing you have to learn how to say no.

No.

I got shit to do.

No.

Can you?

No.

I got a schedule.

It's so packed with things that are making me better tomorrow.

You know what I mean?

No.

I cannot go.

No.

So just look at your vision.

No.

You know, you're where you want to be in life.

Is what I'm about to do going to make me do better in school?

Is what I'm about to do going to make me a better fighter?

If the answer isn't yes, then the answer is no.

That's that's that's huge.

Hopefully they got that.

You know, is this is the mission?

Are these things going to help me get closer to that mission?

If it's not going to help me get closer to that mission, then there's no time for it.

And there's no, how about have you had people say, you know, Hutch, you think you're

better than everybody else now or you forgot where you came from or, you know, you don't

have no time for nothing now or anything like that or not?

It's in indirect ways.

Yes, I've never had anybody directly sit at to my face, but you kind of know what they're

saying.

They're probably saying that behind my back, etc.

But I look at it like this and I can I can attest what moderate, what moderate success

that I've had so far to I have like a 24 hour rule.

So I have big goals.

I have these big things that we're talking about because it's nice to say that I'm going

to be a world champion and I will be a world champion.

But, you know, and I still do have those big goals obviously.

But what I do is I...

ask myself in the next 24 hours, what can I do to move in that direction? Okay, I don't

want to say, oh well in three years, I'm going to be a watch, no, what can I do tomorrow

to make that happen in three years? So 24 hours in the next 24 hours, what can I do to make

the most of those 24 hours to move towards my goal? And then the next day, I do the exact

same thing over and over and over. And honestly, I was just talking to my girlfriend about

this last night that I almost get surprised when these things happened to me because I forget

that, you know, oh, that is the mangle, but I'm so focused on, all right, well tomorrow,

I got five a.m. with Chris, then I got to go here, then I got to go there, then I got

six p.m. over here, then you get so built up into that grind that when you, you have these

successes and these things come your way, you're almost like, oh, how did that happen?

You understand? I was like, how did that happen? Because you forgot that you were, you were

even worried about the big shit. You were worried about the next day process. Exactly.

The next day is the process. Everybody wants the outcome, but very few are willing to put

in that, that, that focus of what's important tomorrow. Exactly. What's, what's important

today? Anything that you do to keep you, you know, keep you zoned in and, and focus, you

know, to the naked eye, just sounds like, well, if it's not helping me get better, then

it's no, but people can't do that. You know, any tips on being able to, you know, mentally

focus like that or discipline yourself like that or you just have to, you have to look at

it like this, you know, you have to look, you have to look to your left, you have to look

to your right and you have to say, who do, who do I want to be like, who do I want to

mimic, who do I want to surround myself with? You know, a lot of people say, oh, you know,

I want to go out and, and, and drink every night and do this. And I, of course, say,

yeah, everybody does. Of course you do. But then you look at those people and you ask

yourself, do I want to trade places with them? Do I want to live like them? Do I want

to be financially set up like they are? Yes or no? Okay. And if, if you want to be regular,

there's nothing wrong with that. You could be regular. But if you want to be extraordinary,

you can't do regular shit. You know what I mean? You, you just can't. So that's what

I would say to someone like that. I would just say, hey, you know, if you have extraordinary

goals, you have to do extraordinary shit to get it done. Love that. Greg, why don't you talk

to us a little bit about transitioning? You know, I know you're, you're contemplating and,

and maybe fighting here in the next couple of months. But he is, he is, he's coming in on

the undercarb. But talk to us about transitioning out of, per se, you know, that being your,

your number one focus into a business role. What's that been like? How has your background in,

you know, boxing, MMA, sports in general helped you transitioning out into the business world.

Because no matter how good at some point, you know, we got father time, you know,

just going to catch up. It's time to move on and do some different. During those transitions,

I've watched friends of mine literally kill themselves. You know, literally can't handle the

transition of now what, you know, do I do this is what my life was built around for so long. Now what,

I don't even know how to identify with anything else in outside world.

It's frustrating, but I've learned patients, and I work on patients all the time.

But sports really gave me my background and my discipline and my drive from the beginning of my

life. That's what I wanted to do. I was always in sports. That gave me that work ethic, that drive.

But transitioning into this career, you know, I was still fighting. You know, that's how we,

how we met. But in my last fight, you know, I was so ready and I was at, it takes so long to level

up in this game of boxing. And I'm nowhere near, you know, at Hutch's level when I haven't fought the

opponent said Hutch has fought. But I, you know, I got it later in life. But I finally got to this

tier where I'm like, I can hang with really good people. And I knocked my opponent out in 21 seconds.

You know, I, it was violent. And he wasn't the greatest opponent, but I still had to train for it.

I still had to go in there and do it in front of a couple thousand people. And I mean, I can bang.

And it took me a few years of working with this kid with working with Chris and, and, and, and lay

shock and comma, I would spark comma all the time at when I owned the gym that he owns now, I would

fucking hate sparring him. He'd like, hey, Greg, let's get some working because we just be sitting

there. You know, at 11 o'clock and waiting for Chris to come in and teach boxing class or something.

He's like, I need some work for my next fight. You want to, he always loved the fucking sparring

because he could be even peppered to sat on me. But I'd, I'd always get, get like a nasty

overhand right in or something. He'd be like, okay, okay. But I mean, that's how you get better

as you get out of your comfort zone. But I've got to a point here now where I'm the hiring director,

coach, I mentor, you know, 30 some people here in this office, multiple offices. You know,

I'm a managing director here about to be a regional director. I'm busy. So

what all comes down to that scheduling again. So I'm going to have to wake up earlier. I'm going to

have to work later, train later. I mean, it's going to be all come down to scheduling. And I do feel

like I need closure on, on boxing, you know, because I never really was going to say, all right, this

is my last fight. And it's like, it's like being with a serious girlfriend for five years.

And then you guys just break up over a dumb argument. Like you need that the fucking closure.

You know what I mean? So yes, I'm going to fight again. And I'm going to, I'd like to fight a

couple times. But I mean, we'll see what my body can take. I'm 37 years old now. And obviously,

this is my, my strength zone is, is being in this building and the building the relationships and

learning this business. I mean, that, that's going to set me up for life. But boxing just gets

your name out there and networking. I mean, every time I've fought another door opened up,

you know, a door opened up to, to this right now over, over fighting, right? A door opened up.

I met Chris through fighting. I met Hutch through fighting. I mean, these are the closest people

that I have to my life right here. I like these two guys were in my fucking wedding. You know what I mean?

And I met them through punching people in the face. So I've gained the best relationships I've ever

had through a sport that taught me the most discipline and humbled me because you can go into boxing gym

and you'll get humbled every single day, no matter where you go. Because there's always going to be

something that's going to be able to, to, to humble you. I guarantee that even when you win, absolutely,

you know, you're never going to win every single round. You never will. Hutch, tell me about, you know,

what do you think you mentioned your team? You know, I got my team right, got the circle right.

What do you think it takes to put the right team, you know, together around you? What do you look for?

You know, I'm assuming you've had different people that have worked with you. What sticks out to

you about, you know, Chris per se or, you know, whoever's on your team now that makes them right,

you know, that stands out that like, all right, this is the right squad. What am I looking for?

So I'm looking for a couple things. The first, the first most obvious thing you look for is

like minded individuals, people that are hungry, that are looking to be the best. And then

after that, I'm personally looking for people that if they're not the best, they want to be the best

in their field, in their, in their designated roles, you know what I mean? I don't need Chris to

crack my back. I don't need Chris to tell me how many Hill sprints to do, okay. He's my boxing coach.

He's not the promoter. He's not the strength of conditioning guy. He's the boxing coach. And he

wants to be the best boxing coach that he can be, okay? That's why I want Chris because he wants to be

the best that he can in his zone, in his zone. And that's the bottom line. My strength in conditioning,

my strength in conditioning coach Jason DeRose and his whole team at faster, that's all they do.

How do you balance that? You know, the amount of times that you need to train,

but then also the strength in conditioning. And what are you doing for strength in conditioning?

Well, communication is key as far as that goes. Saying, you know, and sometimes they,

sometimes they don't listen. You know, yesterday morning I said, oh, yeah, I'm sure maybe we'll take it easy.

We didn't take it easy. But, you know, it's just that communication. Understand, okay, today needs to be a

rest day. Today needs to be whatever the case may be. Today we need to work on this. And I do

targeted strategic things as far as where my heart rate needs to be, where my weight needs to be,

how many calories I can take in and so on and so forth. That's all calculated and planned out. But

as far as strength in conditioning goes, a couple days a week, I'm doing a strength program to

where I'll be doing, you know, not necessarily weight lifting, obviously, but strength in conditioning

is a couple days. Straight cardio, straight conditioning, other days. Stretching, I incorporate

how many days strength in conditioning? Three. Tuesday, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, hard strength in

conditioning. An hour. I would say the actual work is about an hour. I take a long warm up, long stretch

period and a long cooldown. So it's probably about two hours, but I would say an hour of how important

you think that is in recovery, the long warm up and stretch period in the cooldown. I think it's

super important. Number one, because I want to go as hard as I can for that hour, I don't want to,

oh, well, that first set was whatever, you know, I want to come out, come out, swing and come out,

come out 100% to the best of my ability. So that warm up is clutch. And that cooldown is also

super important because you don't want to be tight. You don't want to be injured, you know,

obviously to be able to train as hard tomorrow as I did today is super important to me. So that's why

my team at Legacy and Matt Burnett have been super, super, super, super important. Everything you

could think of from cryotherapy to laser therapy, ultrasound, you know, honestly, with his brother

up here. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm real familiar. Yeah. Dude, honestly, I tell him all the time,

I don't know what the hell is going. I just say, what do I need? You know, I can't even tell you

the shit I'm doing. But it's it's probably says it's good. How much are you training boxing in a seven

day, you know, week? I like, I like to keep it at five, at least five days a week. Five days, any,

any two a days? For for technique, no. Okay. So if my two days would be a straining conditioning

session in a boxing session, got you. How long boxing? What do you think, Chris?

Lourd two hours? Some like that. Coach, Chris, what sticks out to you about, you know, maybe

some people, I'm sure you've seen a lot of folks, a lot of people with potential, you know, oftentimes

in my experience, be it sports or business, it seems like not to downplay people's potential. But

I even had Kelly, you know, Kelly in here not too long ago, Kelly Pavley. And, you know, we were

joking about how, you know, when he first got rockin', you know, his coach was, was quoted as saying,

you know, Kelly ain't the most talented, you know, in here, you know, and, and could even get a warm-up,

you know, to on the squad, you know, the jumpsuits that they were wearing. And, you know, I know some

people that got just got sicko gifts in sports, you know, that I watch never do anything. And then I

watch some people that got you, you got to have above average gifts to be a professional. I feel

you can't have no, no skill. But, you know, it seems like sometimes the champs ended up with

good skill, but a different level of will and work ethic and other shit versus just the, the gifts.

You know, what, what stands out to you about the people that you've seen go to the next level or,

or end up being the best versus other people that had the gifts and never did anything with it. Can you,

can you talk to us about the two? Yeah, character personality period. Like, what do you mean character

personality? Staying open-minded and wanting to grow. Just like Bill was saying earlier, you know,

just always want to have an open mind and consistently wanting to grow and get better. I've seen

very, very, very talented kids in the area, maybe be with a coach who's stagnant or the kid gets stagnant

or just anyone in general, I've seen people get to the top and then they get stagnant. You can't get

stagnant. You have to consistently grow as a person, as a fighter, everything. How do you, how do you not

stay stagnant? How do you consistently grow? Continuously work. Continuously stay open-minded. Be a sponge. I'm a sponge. Like,

I can name so many people off the top of my head right now that I've learned something from

in fighting and that's whether there's people that I look at and I'm like, dude, you don't know

what the hell you're doing. But maybe I can learn, maybe that's the way I shouldn't do it. You learn

something from everybody. I'm here because of the things I've learned from so many coaches before

me. There's a saying they say, if you can't do, you teach. That doesn't even make sense to me.

Every single thing that all four of us are sitting here now, we've learned from somebody else.

We've met, we've all this information. We're not Elon Musk. We've all got information from

somebody else and learned and grown and moved forward with it, whether you made it better or you just

stayed with it, everything we learned come from somewhere else. Now, Chris, I know you're in a

relationship. I know you're married with Kendall. You currently in a relationship. 10 years, bro.

10 years. So how important do you think it is to have the right person spouse significant other

if you're going to pursue greatness? Because we've all been in agreements that to pursue greatness

takes sacrifice takes up to four o'clock in the morning, going till nine o'clock, one minute

you're here next minute, you're on a plane to California. There comes moments of maybe during a fight

camp or whatever that you talk about balance that maybe for this moment, it's not really, it's all

grimo right now. This ain't this ain't, I'm home at four o'clock with you walking the dog eating potato

chips. I gotta be up at five, which means I gotta go to sleep by nine.

or eight, and you know, no, we can't kick it like this at this wedding or no, I can't go to this

event. Where's my husband? Where's, you know, where's this person? That type of deal. How important do

you think it is to have the right person behind you to pursue, you know, greatness? I mean, just

exactly what you said, you have to have someone that can number one deal with that and understand that

it's for the greater good. Understand that you're doing this for both of you. You know, my

girlfriend, I've been with her for 10 years. She's been absolutely fantastic as far as that goes

constantly supporting me, helping me in every way, whether it be through food prep and whether it be,

you know, understanding, just understanding that I'm doing all this for the both of us. I'm doing

all this for our future. I'm doing all this for the future of our children one day, you know what I mean?

Matter. Now that now that I think of it, the food prep at our old office. What's her name?

Caitlin. Caitlin. So, you know, she, she's, she's had my back, you know, I mean, even, even door

my weight cuts, bro, there's been times where I've been laying on the bathroom floor, legacy medical

centers, freaking dead. And she's stripping off the layers of my, of my underarm, and stuff, getting

out of the sauna, literally picking me up to go and get on the scale. Like, you know, there's not

too many girls that would do that. And, you know, because she has done that, one day I'm going to give

her everything she ever wanted. It's so important in business or sports, you know, when you're at a point,

at any point, really, whether you're in the, in the process of becoming something great,

or whether you are something great, you have to have a partner that's going to have your back

and not be on your back. And, you know, I've known Kate as long as I've known you. She's like my sister.

I love the girl. This girl's a beast. I mean, I've seen her try to fight people at his fights.

Like, sure. She wants to fight the ref. She wants to fight the other coaches. Like, she's an animal.

I mean, you're talking she's in the, she's in the reserves. She's, you know, I think she beat out

like every single dude in the army reserves or whatever. She's like number one in her class or

some shit. Like, she's an animal. Physically, I think, I think there was two, I think there was two

dudes in her unit that beat her physical times and stuff. She's not, she smashed the girls. That

wasn't competition. I think there was two guys that beat her shit. She's tough. She's a good one.

Chris, how important do you think it's, it's, it is to have to, you've probably seen it not only on

your end, but on people that you've trained, have people where the girls on their back. You're like,

nah, you know, I can't do that. I can't do how important do you think it is for the person to have

the right, the right woman? It's very important because it's very stressful day to day. So, when you

come home, you don't want to deal with stress. You need someone that's going to be there to support

you and hey, I'm with you all the way. I've seen fighters, some of my fighters that they're having

issues at home and then they carry it into the cage or they carry it into the ring and it lose focus.

You lose focus. It's so important. And when you're in a spotlight, I mean, they're going to get

a little insecure. That's, I actually, like, I think that's the hardest part. Right. Let's say

your business explodes and you become a millionaire overnight. Obviously, you're going to get a

lot more attention in the world and in your community. People are going to be hitting you up on

Facebook, Instagram. You win a huge fight every single person that crowd wants to take a picture

with you. People get insecure, especially women at that point. Even men, if the roles are reversed,

but you have to be a strong minded person. That's what it's like.

Listener out there. There's young folks out here listening. I'm going to tell you right now,

I had a wise man tell me before who was a coach. He said, I used to tell people they

get into the coaching game based on the grind. Either if you're having issues, either you got

the wrong woman or you got the wrong game. You got the wrong career that you chose.

And I can't give you the answer on which one it is. It may be it's the career and you got the right

person. You need to switch up your career or you got the right career. Maybe you got the wrong

person. Once you're already in it, you got 10, you're married. You got to work through it.

You got to communicate. You got to put in the work to do that. But for the young folks out there,

be careful who you choose. I've watched more careers get killed by someone having the wrong

spouse killing their dreams, not supporting them, causing them stress and drama.

Then I can count on my hands and toes, my fingers and toes. Before you get down that path of

marriage, make sure if you have a big dream and you got some big goals, make sure you're upfront

talking to that person about what it is and you're on the same page. So you're not having issues

down the road because if you got big dreams, you're going to have a big grind and big sacrifices.

And the last thing you want is somebody, you know, hassling you and heckling you.

So holding that back. Amen. Amen. Amen. Hey, so thanks. Thanks. Thanks, Chris. Appreciate you. Hutch.

Congrats on all your recent success and future success. Greg, I love you like a brother.

Let's do this thing again. Thanks for tuning in to another episode of Grindcast. Get ready

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