Kelly Pavlik

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Welcome back, the ghost Kelly Pavlik.

Hey, thanks for having me back, man.

Thanks for coming back, brother.

I always appreciate you.

And so let's get started.

The first thing I wanted to dig into is what advice would you have for a kid out there

that's listening, you know, maybe just getting started in boxing and, you know, wants

to be a world champ like you became.

And I know you mentioned your son is 10 years old and starting to mess around with

the Jiu Jitsu and boxing a little bit.

So let's say you're talking to a, you know, a 10 year old or a teenager and, you know,

they're asking you, man, Kelly, what do I got to do?

To be a world champ.

What would you tell them?

Man is a whole bunch.

I'd actually sit them down for a little while and talk to them.

You know, the biggest thing is work.

I think we mentioned this before, but you could be the best athlete in the world.

And you could have all the talent and skills out there.

But if you don't have the work ethic that goes behind that and train, it don't get you

nowhere and only get you so far.

And of course, you may start off and climb the ladder quick, but eventually it will catch

up to you.

And after that's working hard.

So first of all, they need that.

Second of all, even at a young age, you have to teach them the importance of keeping the

right people behind you, you know, and having them back you.

But I think those are the two biggest things, like, you know, follow what you want.

Be a respectable person.

Be an honorable person and go out there and put the work in and enjoy what you do.

What do you think it, when you say have the right people behind you?

What do you mean by that?

At every cost, we all know that you can get the people there behind you that could sway

you off the path.

You know what I mean?

And you get people out there, especially as they get older.

I guess it's more so having somebody consult them as they're going up to ranks or if they're

talented.

But you could take that also.

What you teach them, buddy, in combat sports or any sport is you can teach them life lessons

through that too.

You know what I mean?

That's one of the biggest things that we try to preach to people as, you know, I'm in

the field now of being a coach myself and that's why I want to teach the guys that I'm

training, you know, how to be respectful, oh, outside to ring.

And you know, so all those qualities, but when a fighter comes up, I mean, we know when

they have talent and people know they have talent, you see the, I don't want to offend anybody,

but you see the leeches, you know, right off the roof, they make it obvious, they don't

care and they have no shame.

But to these kids, they don't know that, you know, usually if somebody that's a good amount

older than them, that approaches them and talks to them and tells them the world and they

agree with it.

And that's what happens.

So yeah, I agree.

What do you think a training regimen would look like, you know, for somebody that is not

casually approaching it, but they're approaching it to be, to be a champ, you know, and it just

talks boxing specifically.

What would that work schedule look like for a week?

Well, you know, it depends if they're amateur or if they're pro, no matter if you're amateur

or pro, you got to put the work in.

I mean, especially when you get to the level and the amateur is like to the nationals and

stuff like that or international competition, you got professional amateurs in there.

I mean, you got guys that could rock.

You got a lot of fights.

Yeah, you got guys that could beat Mayweather in a three round fight, you know, that's the

difference.

So you got to put the work in for that and treat your body right and do already extra steps.

And for boxing, you know, when you get to the pros and you start getting into the 10, 12

rounds, your contender and fighting for championships, you know, my routine was seven hours a day,

sometimes eight.

You know, I would start off with people miss.

Exactly.

People don't get every day.

You know, I hear guys, I'm not taking away construction workers.

They worked their ass off and I give them respect, but we started three miles, three mile

running in the morning, followed by maybe 15, 40 yard sprints.

Every jog was timed on a stopwatch too.

So it wasn't like, you know, it's Tuesday.

I had a rough sparring session yesterday.

I'm going to just go tiptoe through this run.

I had to run it.

I had a person follow me in a car.

You know, you can done with that.

Go home, rust a little bit.

What did that jog look like for three miles?

I used to do it on flat over there in boardman.

I did it in 19 minutes.

Okay.

You know, that's flying in my five mile was, that's a six minute.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's good.

Now I always distance I could run.

It was a little different.

So what I wasn't playing football.

You don't need a 40 time.

Yeah.

But, you know, so we would do that and, uh, yeah, I had long legs.

I had to stride.

But like I said, I had to run that and if I didn't run it as fast, you know, you get

all of that.

You have a guy behind you peeping the horn.

We get done.

Take a little break.

I would either go to Rocky's fitness center and lift weights or go down to the Ironman

warehouse and do, uh, you know, strength training.

I got down with that.

You go back home, have a little bit more to eat because you're still watching your weight

at that point, go to the boxing gym for two hours, two and a half hours.

And sometimes we kept the night off with either going down to the YMCA or, you know,

playing a pickup game of basketball or doing some type of cardio workout to maintain

the weight and make sure it's down.

So, you know, if you add that all up throughout the day, seven, sometimes eight hours.

No doubt.

Full, full tilt and how many days, how many days a week were you doing that Monday through

Saturday?

It was pretty much a week.

Yeah.

It was a little easier because we didn't run.

That was just a day to give the legs a little bit of a break, but we still had strength

training, boxing, everything else.

And then Sundays was my day to, you know, recovered, yeah, recover, reload on food.

We ate, even if I was three weeks out from a fight, um, we're pretty good on weight.

So we fed the body.

Carbup?

Yeah.

Carbup on Sundays and stuff.

You know, I think that's what, that's the part that people miss.

You know, when you're on the road to being a professional, is that, that nasty, gritty,

grind obsession?

You know, when, when you look at, you know, in, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the

mad at room I have over here where I do the Jiu Jitsu and the boxing, you know, one of my

favorite quotes of all time is on the wall.

It's by Muhammad Ali.

Yeah.

As I hated every minute of training, but I said don't quit.

Yep.

Suffer now.

I live the rest of your life like a champion.

Sometimes wish you had a one.

You know, there was a saying, too, that they, they called with boxing.

Now I would use it for any combat sport.

Um, and it's so true.

It says the, um, has a picture of the ring.

I actually got tattooed and it says the loneliest walk.

But what that means is that, that's you walking in a combat sport and boxing.

You're walking to that ring.

You know, you're going into that ring by yourself.

I mean, you have a team.

Don't get me wrong.

And you have a trainer and a trainer does this part and every, and a corner man does this

part, but really at the end of the day, it's you because those blows you're taken and

the shots you're taken and then the, the parody time after a fight to recovery when you're

all banged up stitched up, nobody else is going through that though.

Nobody stards themselves, goes into a fight, drained and goes through that.

I mean, so you do have a team all along good, but I don't think, you know, people should

say we in that fight though because nobody was doing that.

And people have to understand that when you train for a fight, that's what you got to really

put in your head.

Like you got to put your head.

Hey, if I get hit and I, I taste my spleen, you know, and I can't call time out.

I can't call into this other player to come, you know, substitute for me.

I got to either show that didn't get hurt and I got to fight through this.

And if I get dropped in my brain, jr.

Out of two rounds later, I got to get back up and keep fighting.

Nobody else is your trainer.

You can't go tag your trainer, Santa say, hey, go finish this fight for me.

You know, it's one of those things that I think that somebody's combat athletes have to,

you know, install in their brain like you have to train.

You don't want that doubt when you're in a locker room or dressing room going out to

that fight.

The last thing in your mind is, am I ready for this?

You know, you want to say, if I lose this fight, it's going to be by luck.

This guy's going to be by luck.

I'm ready.

I'm prepared.

And that helps.

No doubt.

You know, that's something that I think transfers over to business.

You know, I tell people that, you know, I, from a sports standpoint, I was small.

You know, I played football, small, you know, started at Ursula and went to college, played

again, small four year starter again, five foot seven.

Those things helped me transition over in the business.

Just the amount of work that it took, the amount of drive and relentless discipline, you

know, all those things that you're talking about transfer over into success in no matter

what it is, you know, like you were talking about with those with the kids.

Is there anything that stands out to you, you know, now that maybe, you know, in your

30s, you know, I think you're my, you know, somewhere around where to say mage, I'm 36.

Yeah.

You know, maybe 10 years ago, you know, you were one tape and look at what do you, you know,

is there anything that you're better at now, you know, that whether it's personal life

or, you know, or whatever, anything you're better at now than you were 10 years ago, did

you could think of?

Yes.

That's a really good question too.

Yeah, I think there's a lot of things, you know, as you get older, you get smarter.

I would say one of the things that I noticed, like, well,

when I was in my late 20s and early 30s, if I wanted to do so, I was impatient, you know,

like, and then the drive was good.

And that's probably what got me a real title, but sometimes you have to learn how to kind

of like step back and let something, let a play go by you.

I, you know, I would jump on first instinct.

If I wanted to do that, make a decision that I thought was good.

And maybe it's now I do it because I have my businesses, you know, I'm operating three

right now in negotiation with a handful of other things.

And it's kind of like you got to step back and say, just hold on a minute, like, relax.

Let's look into this.

There's been things that 10 years ago, I would have said, yeah, let me do it.

And right now, I would have lost money on it if I would have done it.

You know, I stepped back and say, no, no, no, no.

I listened to my financial team on things.

You know, that's why I pay them and, you know, I hired them because that's their job to

steer me in the right direction also.

So yeah, I would say that's one of the big things.

Patients?

You just think the maturity, you know, you mature different from 20s.

And then I'm sure when you're in your late 40s, you mature different from 30s, you know,

and so on.

So it's one of those things that where I can say, I think that I've matured mentally

and on some of the things that I do, my patients have been pretty good.

Love it.

Yeah, same here.

What anything stand out to you about, you know, if you have a favorite, you know, I know

in football, I could think back to favorite games that I had, or favorite plays.

You know, is there anything in your career, you know, that you could think of as maybe

something that sticks out in your mind as, you know, one of your favorite fights, you

know, maybe you're fighting injured and you want and you're thinking, man, that one

I'm most proud of, people don't know about because I knew going into that, you know, I

was in a jacked up situation or had a lot of adversity going on.

Nobody knew.

And then there, is there any, you know, one or two fights that stand out to you as maybe

favorite memorable moments?

Well, yeah, you know, of course, the, uh, the world champion because that's the world

championship.

But I would say the reason, and that's the biggest fight, um, obviously because I've

won the world titles and it was just the way that fight unfolded.

But the biggest one I would say was right before the title fight when I fought Edison

Miranda, you know, I was going in fighting a kid at the time.

He was the most fervent guy in boxing.

Nobody wanted to fight Edison Miranda.

He was knocking everybody out.

Uh, where was he from?

Uh, Columbia.

So he was the monster and, and he was.

And we went into the fight and it was actually funny at the press conference, you know, he's

talking about fighting Jermaine.

Jermaine is talking about fighting him.

And I actually, at one point, got up at the press conference to the podium and I said,

should I might have a fight tomorrow night?

You know what I mean?

Because everybody's talking Jermaine versus Miranda.

Nobody, none of the people to got top guys in the sports and the writers and everybody

else reporters.

Nobody was giving me a chance and I fought.

Granted, I had a great record, great knockout percentage.

But um, you know, to them, I wasn't as tested in this is Edison Miranda.

And not only did I go in and fight him and beat him out.

I said I was.

A big underdog.

Yeah, I was walking in.

Nobody even paying you no attention.

Exactly.

And everybody was talking about his power and I kept saying in all the interviews like, yeah,

but my power, you know, you guys got to know about my strength and power.

And we went and I said I was going to back him up.

And of course, even Larry Merchant on HBO said, probably said he's going to back up Miranda,

but nobody's ever done that.

And I did.

I went and I knocked him out in the seventh round, beat him up for seven rounds.

So that one stands out because of how everything just went before to fight.

How was the underdog and nobody was giving me a chance?

What was your self talk, you know, in your mind, you know, you have these conversations,

you know, when you're doing things like that, you know, what's the self talking, your

mind, you know, that quiet voice is, you know, anything that you could remember saying

and playing to yourself, just, you know, that self conversation.

Yeah, you know, we went into that one that's going back to the last thing I was talking

about.

We trained, we trained like animals for that fight, or I trained like an animal for that

last fight.

So I'm going to have it up.

I trained my ass off for that fight.

I knew that at a summer and he lived up to it.

I mean, you could just tell when you fight, you know, sometimes they say you got to wait

until you get in there and get hit by them, but I could tell that he had power, but I knew

our game plan was going to take shots because, you know, we couldn't fight at a summer

round and he was more dangerous when you try to move on him from the angles that he threw

his punches.

So in other words, it was kind of like putting on your bulletproof vest and saying, you

know what, I'm taking suit.

Yeah, we're going at it.

And you know, that played him in my head in a locker room too.

Like, you have to understand, I'm going in a fight in a guy that's at that time was

compared to he was the middleweight version of Mike Tyson.

And here I am saying, I'm going to take the fight to him.

So it was weird.

You know, I just knew I had to believe in and how I trained for that fight.

I talked myself into knowing how strong and how big I am.

And actually, at the end of the time walking down to the ring, I ran to the ring, actually,

I mean, I scooted and it kind of was like, can he take my punch?

That's the question.

I'm tired.

Everybody talking about his power and everything else.

This is my opportunity to show everybody can't edit some around and take Kelly Pavls

Spire.

And that was the big thing going into that fight that I took out of it.

So yeah, in a locker room, I mean, there's a lot of, there's a bunch of things going

on through your head.

You know, of course you're playing the worst situation that could happen fighting a guy

like that, then you're playing the best thing that could happen.

So just, you know, you have to just kind of control that thought process.

You know, slow down a little bit.

You know, you mentioned about the title fight.

you know, specifically, you know, Germaine Taylor. And, you know, I think that's probably the one that,

you know, in most people's minds, you know, they remember the most, you know, I could tell you,

you know, certain things, people, you know, they ask, you know, where were you at, you know,

when this happened, you know, I could tell you where I was at, you know, when that happened,

you know, to me, I was in my house, you know, screaming, you know, and Cleveland, you know,

I know exactly where I was sitting, you know, where the TV was faced, you know, everything. And,

you know, what, what from your perspective, you know, people getting an inside look at that,

you know, when you got knocked down, what, you know, if anything is the conversation in your,

in your head, when you survive, you know, the round and you're in the corner, you know,

what's going through your mind in these moments? That's kind of, you know, like what the question

Larry Merchant asked me, everybody says was the greatest reply back on HBO when he goes,

what was going through your mind? And I go, Larry, you really want to know, what was going through my

mind? Oh shit, this is going to be a long night. That's kind of what it was, you know, and that's

true, that's what was going through my head. Not to the about getting knocked out, you know, it's weird

how that happens, you know, like I didn't go, man, I just got knocked out, I'm going to get knocked

out, you know, what do I do? I didn't have, I didn't go in a panic mode. I stay focused, I got up,

I smiled. We made it through that, you know, my biggest thing was it was one of them shots

equilibrium. So the equilibrium shot is, make sure legs go, don't make you foggy, you know, mentally.

So I was there. I could actually hear everything everybody was saying. And then that 10 second

counter to 8 second count that he was giving me, I kept remembering what he was saying in the locker room

that he will not stop a fight if you could show that you could hold on, grab. And of course,

I didn't know how bad I was until I went back out there and I got hit with a little shot, you know,

my legs went again and I caught my balance. But at that point, you know, it was more of a confidence

thing like, all right, I'm up, I survived that. And I think the biggest one was I mentally breaks

another person too. Oh, you know, when they, you know, rock you a couple times and they think you're

out, you're like, damn, this dude's like Freddie Krueger. And I don't think that really, I don't think

that played a role in that second round. I think Jermaine still had a gentleman running even to the

to the final bow that round. I think the third round was the one that zapped a soul from Jermaine Taylor.

When I came back out to very next round and through 99 punches, 100 punches at him and I just

pinned him in the corner, I could actually take a fill. The energy come out of him like in other

words in his head, what do I do? I hit him with everything that I had. I'm tired. He's strong. He

keeps coming forward. And I think that right there was kind of the end of the fight without it being

the end of the fight. Yeah. So what, you know, what was the emotion like after, you know, afterwards,

you know, what's the, what's the moments after that? You know, what do you think in? Man, you know,

yeah, that's pretty much, I mean, everything's just going so fast. Just everybody coming. I mean,

the atmosphere that's there. Of course, after a fight, you know, I'm back. I'm doing a doctor

exams, physicals. You're doing a drug test to make sure no steroids. So you're a good hour after

the fight is over in the locker room. Then after you got to post fight conference. So I didn't get

back to the room, told about three o'clock in the morning and sink in. Yeah, and it's totally like

you're you're happy. You're excited. Yeah. You have an idea. Why did it hit you? Man, it did

it. Holy shit. I'm a world champ. It didn't hit me. Look what I just did to get there and make

it through, you know, from the fight prior in that, you know, pretty much underdog the whole, the whole

situation the whole time. What did what from a comeback to under, you know, underdog to a comeback and

when did it hit you? It's a really good question. I mean, it really is actually to a point,

a couple of years later, I mean, each each week, you do that, you're a champion. But there

be times like a month after the fight, I walked past and my parents had my boats up on the shows.

And I would just look at them and go, damn, you know, those remind me, but it's still to sink in.

You know what I mean? It took time and now, you know, obviously it's totally sunken in. But yeah,

just because there's so much, I mean, that goes back into also maybe being somebody to talk to these

kids once they won a title because you got everything's changed. People coming at you from this

angle, coming at you from that angle, your focus still up here is, okay, I'll take care of this.

I'll take care of that. But I got to train. I got to fight. You know, I got to keep these belts.

Everybody likes to pay day. Pay days quick coming in when you stop when you're not winning no more.

So now you got to target on your back. You got to train harder than you ever did. So there's

just so much and you got interviews, charity events. You got to go to Florida, to California,

to this place. It really becomes demanding on that fighter. And if they don't really have an idea

and you could tell them because it happened to me, I've always been a person I took in. You know,

I listen. People go, hey, she's going to change on you. And I'm going, yeah, I know, I know. Of course,

you know, but you don't know until it happens. You know, it's just a whirlwind. And you know, so

that everything kind of was crazy. And then you didn't have time to really sit back and let it

set in what you really just accomplished. And that even goes to for a while there for probably up

to 2017. People would talk about the second round and have a go, you know what, like that ego thing.

And all of that knockdown didn't happen. You know, it could have been this and that. And now I look

back at it. And that's only a couple of two years later, if it wasn't for that knockdown, that fight

wouldn't have been one of the greatest middleweight fights. You know, it was that knockdown, unfortunately.

Made the story. Made it. Yes. That's likely. That's it. You know, that mirrors life, man. You know,

a lot of times people get knocked down in life. And that's what makes the whole story even better.

You know, that's what makes that rocky, rocky six quote that rocky had, you know, that makes that

quote so big because it's true. You just think how to use it for boxing. You use it in life.

Every aspect of life, you know, I think, you know, that what you just said there could really be a

value to a listener, you know, no matter what they're doing, whether it's business or boxing or,

you know, whatever, you know, the you're going to get knocked down, you know, and that's adversity.

And it can be anything, you know, whatever that adversity is. And it's about being able to rise and

and go above that. And when you rise and go above that, you can inspire a lot of people. You can

motivate a lot of people. And it really becomes the background of what makes your story a story. And

it makes it something that's even interesting to, you know, it makes it different. Exactly.

A lot of times people avoid those things. And those are the things that actually make the life

more interesting to people. Exactly. Like they say, you know, if you've never been knocked down or

if you haven't taken a loss or this, you never get experience. And it's true because

it's hard to go undefeated in certain things and sports and combat sports. I mean, some of it is

very rare. But life, a life will beat you one way or another. It'll give you a handful of losses.

You can't go, yeah, you can't go undefeated in life. And it's all about how you deal with that. And

it's true. I mean, you're going to get knocked down and how will you say, like, put your head out of

your butt. So what? Get up, shake it off because you got a lot more to go.

Yep. When you, I just give you an example. I look at, you know, in college, you know, being a

captain in college, you know, I started to rewind sometimes. I'd be sitting by myself thinking,

man, like, damn, you shouldn't even be here. I remember my house got shot up. I was locked up in

juvenile. I walked off the practice field and was in quit one day, you know, and came back

the next day in the coach sat down and talked to me and I didn't quit. And I'm looking at all these

moments. My grandfather forced me to play football and want to play football, transitioning into high

school. I was already hustling. I was living fast. Everything in adult would be doing in eighth grade.

I'm doing it all. Everything, you know, everything. Good bad. Good bad in between. And I'm like,

I don't want to give up my summers. You know, I don't want to go do this. I'm over here, you know,

making money. And I got forced, you know, literally forced to play. And I start rewinding things like,

man, if that didn't happen, if this didn't happen, nobody saw this happen, nobody saw this happen.

And so now here we are. If it wasn't for these, you know, this, these moments that nobody saw,

nobody even knows unless I tell them, you know, these mental battles, this story where I could

have quit, the story where I would have gave up, this I even got introduced to doing it. I didn't

want to play. You know, is there anything if you can rewind the tape in your mind? You know,

if there's like, you know, you watch a movie and they hit the, you know, all of a sudden,

person goes from an adult to like, woo, 11, you know what I mean? Like is there a couple moments

that stand out, you know, to you that's like, man, holy shit. Yeah, there is, you know, and a lot of

them were in a good times and a lot of them were in a bad times. No doubt. You know, and sometimes

makes you wonder like, I don't know how spiritual or religious anybody is and who's ever

God or whatever it is. But I believe in, you know, there's things happen for a reason and

it's weird. There's too many things happen for you not to think like that, you know, and there's

been a lot in my life moments that have changed and things that happen where I'm going.

Why did that happen? Why did that unfold just like that? Like, why did this play out this way?

It's too hard to get into like the exact ones, but, you know, just the things leading up to boxing,

you know, the things leading up to when I was playing other sports and how I got into boxing. My

brothers, you know, my parents, everything else, you know, some of the troubles I got in, like

some of the things that I didn't get in trouble for that I did that was stupid, you know,

I mean like where I didn't get seriously permanently injured. You know, you just always think about.

You make a couple examples. Well, you going out, you know, sometimes driving, playing on certain

vehicles. I know, you know, I wish I had some like good stories, you know, but really I'd never

really gotten that deep a stuff. You know, but just the stupid things going out with your friends

drinking and some of the things that you do doing that, you know, I can be dead honest. The last

thing that I got in trouble for, which was again, it was, it was bullshit. But I think it still

happened for a reason, you know, I was retired. I was out having too much fun. And I think that,

yeah, I didn't get in trouble. And it was hard to get me in trouble, but I think it was a break and a pause.

That I had for that year of my life. Okay. And I'm talking about three years ago, three and a half

years ago. That happened because I think that it was going to a point where I wasn't going to be able to

grab that back. And it was good. It was going to hurt me good probably permanently or maybe even

taking my life and being honest. And now you fast forward to four years. And I still have my fun.

But I'm over here and I got businesses. I'm really like a grown up again.

Was I able to those years after I retired to do what I did? Yeah, I was retired. I had the money.

You know what I mean? I just that still to this day. You know, can I do whatever I want to a certain

point? Yeah. But it comes to a point where you got kids. I got my kids. So let me stay in the right

headlines for them. So they ain't got to end doing all the shit. Let me go out there. Let me keep

going. I'm not done. I'm not done. Give them back. How many kids you got? Two, 13 and 10, 13 and 10.

Yeah. Boy and a girl. Girl and a boy. Yeah. Girl and a boy. Yeah. My daughter's 13. My son's 10. And

you know, like I didn't have you learn from fatherhood. Well, you think you know, love

until until you have the kids like that. And then I've learned that you have a lot of heart attacks

in that period of time too. You know, what kids you know, it comes consumed. It's crazy like

the worry. You know, not that the kids are doing anything like that. I think back to your parents

like, oh my god. This is what they felt for me. And this is what I did to them. Absolutely.

I'm sorry. You know, me, my band. Absolutely. And I know that there's still only 13 and 10.

You know, I mean, I know that my ass up into my early 30s. Yeah. It's coming. I know. I've

already started seeing the I'm already seeing the attitude change. But uh, yeah. I mean, but even

since they were, you know, kids, you're like, no matter what it is. Okay. You get them out of

the stage. And I remember saying this is going to change. Um, so it could get them out about like

having to change the diaper and a crying and you can't you can't figure out why they're crying

because they can't talk. So then it got that stage and you miss it and you go into a new stage

where you get all these new worries. And then it just keeps happening like every year. And I know

like I said, into my 30s, how I was, um, I know it's going to probably be like that with them too.

You know what I mean? Uh, it's life. But uh, yeah. So I would have to say that. I mean, that's one of

the things like I built through about three years ago when I had that little break in my life. Like

okay, you know, because I got I was on the border of borderline and getting in trouble. And I had

that parody time where I wasn't out drinking and hanging out with my friends and I was kind of just

like in that spot. I really started thinking, you know, almost like a meditation. I would sit there

and just go, I mean, pissed off. Don't get me wrong. But you start seeing everything clearly. And

you start realizing and my big thing was I worked way too hard. Well, you know, I mentioned the kids

I worked too hard and I accomplished too much. Let me go back out there now and keep doing. And I'm

I always like to challenge myself and I always like to go out and do new little ventures to see

how I could conquer that or, you know, to what point that I could, you know, do this and do that and

make it successful. And so far, my business crab had a couple of what are you doing right now that

that's your venture and often anything you're excited about. Yeah, man, I got to app this out.

You know, I've got a box fit, sweet science plus sweet. Yeah, I mean, it's really how do I get that?

Is it can I get it on? Yes, yeah, you got Apple. I do. Okay. Yeah, you go right now. Let me see.

All right. So I'm going to the app store. And I plug in what the sweet science plus the sweet science

SWEET. Yep. All one word. Yep.

All right. I'm going to screenshot it in case I don't come up service in here.

Boom, I got it. Absolutely. That's it. So yeah, we just launched on the 29th my 12 year

anniversary of the role title. And, um, you know, we're still in the final progress of that too.

It's out there. We're going to have it on for the Android here hopefully in the next couple months.

You know, I was going down Billy Lau is the kid that's in there. So that was a big thing with the app.

You got a role champion. You don't remember seeing it. You don't you don't have Billy Blanks doing it

or just other guy you've got like a former three-time middleweight champion. Billy who was I BF late

or Walter weight title contender. And we're showing you how to fight and how to do the punches

the right way. And then knowing that

We got a workout in between functional strength training for you know, toning and getting strong

And then we have diet plans and mill plans mill prep love and not too many apps are out like that right now

So sweet you know so doing that obviously the grants. Thank you. I appreciate it the gym and clumbiana and process with due to Kelly

Pavley charitable organization of opening a boxing gym

We still have that sports combine going on as it's taken sometimes you know where you want to do that Jim

We're looking for an area great close to the youngstown borderline. I want to open it up for everybody, you know, I want

You know pole and struggles can't feel boredman youngstown everyone everybody there 18 and under would be free

No charge to them get every you know get the minute again, and honestly there would be things like

Talks and and they'll have to people come in to do

Inspirational speeches and they're gonna have strict things to follow of course grades are gonna have to be up

You know so it is for me know what I can do to help absolutely. I mean even if you want to come in and talk one time to them guys

I mean look how you don't look what you you got going man, you know

I mean it's all the work that you put in so that's what we're right now

I mean so it is busy and I'm all over and there's a handful of other things that I really don't want to talk on because I don't want to jinx

Anything or anything fall through but so it's busy man and sometimes like my way for

Tell you're in a good spot right now. Yeah, I can feel your

Spirit yeah me good. I hope I hope it's a good vibe

Yeah, so you know, and it'll show on how to shit when you get home now, and you know to me man

What common myth they saw it look at TMZ, but yeah, I'm like, oh no, I shouldn't say nothing

Yeah, all your fault. What's the what's the common any common mess you could think of about

You know boxing, you know from people that don't really know the game, you know, is there any common myth?

About you know box I could think about okay in churns

I could give you a bunch of myths that people think you think in churns

It ain't nothing like what I got going on. It's completely opposite of what people would think

People think you know you make it to the NFL, you know people that don't know the game

They think you just automatically rich. I think that's a myth, you know

I mean from people that are so is there any you know things that you could think of that's what you're part for me

I could with other professional sports, you know

Sometimes I get an argument with people you want a professional football player

Well, I kind of know how that goes around now, and you know, the professional sport and I've been friends with a lot of guys

That are been in the NFL, but you know the thing with boxing is kind of hard to answer that question

But it ain't it's good question. I would say the one thing

When somebody says, uh, yeah, my hands are registered relief the weapons

That's news to me because I'd never had to you know go register my hands

I don't know what they mean by that granted if you're a world champion or a big-time boxer and you go punch somebody in a

Street fight self-defense or not

Chances are the judges gonna know what you do for a living and by as far as that

That's one of them. I hope that could be something and then I

Want to tell some of the people when you come up to me and tell me that your uncle was a golden glove boxer

That's kind of like a golden gloves is just one part of amateur boxing. It's not even the biggest tournament

So that tells me right there that they weren't really educated. Yeah, educator or their uncle wasn't because obviously the uncle told him that he was

So that tells me that he wasn't pretty much an amateur boxer because he would know that the golden gloves

This is one of the smaller

tournaments. I really you know, I thought about that when you're asking me just now like I was really

You're going through it. I'm trying to think the myths

Taking a fall I

Don't I can't speak for a back in the day the 40s and 50s when the mob ran it

But I know that it's really hard to fix a professional boxing match

Things happen you could hit with body shots a guy goes down. It's not sometimes he may stay down because he's afraid to get back up

So it's not to do with him, you know

um

Falling down and then taking a paycheck, you know, so that's that that right there is kind of a myth

You know, that's just debunked that right there if anybody's gonna do it

It's gonna be somebody from youngstown. Yeah, you know, you know, youngstown. We're forgiving

Absolutely. I mean, hey, I ain't gonna lie. It wasn't me in a Hopkins fight. It wasn't me at all

It's not even 80% Kelly Pavlik, but I tell you what matter for extra couple hundred grand

If somebody said hey throw this in there or Cal go down for 12

I would have done it man because I was getting my ass

What so you know, I mean like yeah, okay?

Good way to go right now, so yeah, you know, those are a couple of myths

I'm sure there's a lot more. No if I sat back and really thought about it

But those are kind of the big ones right now

But you hit it on the head too, you know, you people think just because somebody's a professional athlete

That they got a money. It's work to make money and if you in boxing

If you are if you're not a world champion and you make money

Unfortunately, you're just in a very exciting fighter that brings people in the stands and sells pay-per-view

And you get paid a lot of money because you get beat a lot

You know and beat up on so that's kind of and you might stand a chance of upsetting somebody

So I don't know how much you really want that. Yeah, the money's great, but you know 20 years down line if you can't count it

Not fun no down would you would you want your son to do it?

No, not at all, you know, we talked a little bit right before the show, you know before we went on

um

I want him to learn it. I want him to learn self-defense and I just don't want him to go learn boxing

Because again, I think with any young kid if they just went and learn how to punch and they went to school or on a playground

That self that that that false self of the boxing self confidence because you know if I take you down or you know

You got to wrestle them what exactly and you know

So it goes even for wrestling too though, you know if they when they get into the MMA

So my guy I want my son to learn what it feels like to get punched and learn how to react to getting punched and not be shell shocked the same

What a wrestler a wrestler might be good, but if you get on the ground punches still or throwing on the ground

And if you start hitting them in the snout and you know in the eye the stomach

How is he going to react is he really going to be able to use all the techniques that he learned is he going to cover up and and take the punches

I always say it's pretty equal to I take a guy that baseball player and let them go and he get the perfect swing

Because he does it 90 times a day all day every day, you know

Four times a day and his swing is pitch perfect and and then you next you know you take him out there

And you get a guy that throws a 95 mile an hour fastball followed by

12-6 curveball drop

He's not going to know how to react to that as soon as that ball comes in the past him

His swing is going to be ugly

He's going to do everything possible to hit the ball and it goes the same way and combat sports

Yeah, you go look pretty hitting the bag and shadow boxing or doing what you're doing

But when you start getting hit, you know Mike Tyson said everybody got a game plan till he get hit

Yep, so I want him box. I don't want to fight no

I want him to learn that for self defense reasons

I don't want him but I do not want him to make a career of it. I would not want to see it

What

Is there any give me one thing you ain't good at

Uh, what are you not good at golf

Um

algebra

You're starting to try to help kids with the homework. Yeah, like uh, you got to call in reinforcements

I was a parent. I've been doing that. Yeah, I was a parent at the right time man because thank you off for Google

Hey, hey, I'm telling low Kelly low Kelly. It's Cindy. Hey listen um

Don't

Pring at your teacher don't ask you to explain how you got this answer, but this is what the answer is

You know, I don't feel so bad. That's what I let the wife do that part history. I'm I like history

I always did go with daddy. I you know those subjects English um

Science I like that, you know, I know that as the kids get older turns in the biology

I think or whatever else

But at the age like my son right now is fun helping them with that because I enjoyed it

You know, and I'll always do good enough subjects

The other ones yeah, man

Was not my cup of tea your wife from youngster. Yes. Yeah, I went to Wilson. So

She graduated year after me

And so she did have a south side then yeah, she went to Wilson

Which is where you grew up, but you went to Lovia. Yeah, I went to Lovia on open enrollment. So yeah

That's how you know, the people over there. He was a I would to school with him too

Was the NBC

You know, they're more

Taffed after on the south side. Yeah, you know people people think

And I while you know, he went to Lovia. That ain't the whole story

You know, because you you know, I get it just like me. I went to Ursula. Okay, that ain't the that's still young

Sounded the whole deal. You know, to mean that ain't the whole story. So I get it

Yeah, it's be funny. I still people about the lovel thing like my brothers

They graduated from Wilson my brother Michael graduated 94 and that's right when south was closing

You know, his senior but like my parents said they weren't gonna take him out of Wilson his senior year

My brother Ricky was already a freshman. They're not gonna take him out in you know high school

Me I was going into seventh grade and I remember when I was saying you're going to Lovia

What do I do? Why you shipped me off to a different country? I mean, I didn't know

I'm a girl. Yeah, and even when I was going to Lovia, I was still 15 you know 15 16

I still didn't hardly ever leave the south side

You know, I guess it's like one of them things when you're from that area

Everything I did if I trained I went to the gym. Oh what school came home trained went played

Passing what was someone in neighborhood kids

Football things like that. I'd never really left until I got about 17 18 and got my license

Then it was all hell purpose. Yeah, everybody's like we should have kept them on the south side

Yeah

Yeah, I think you know, it's it when you see you know, I know for me working with the youth program and stuff back home

You know, I know when I see the token, you know, the token white kid there, you know, what all the black kids

He got to be tough, you know to me he had to be you know to me because I know for me

You know growing up around you know on the east side and stuff

You know, I was around most people that didn't look like me

Yeah, I mean, and I know that started to give me a little chip, you know my shoulder and what comes

Comes with that so yeah, there was no break, you know, I want your little goofy. I boxed, you know

And there was not many at that point young white kids in there

And then I was a sight to see too, you know, you got to understand I was tall

tall skinny pill, I mean I was an easy target, you know guys

Used to find out they were fighting me and they all started giggling and pointing their fingers at me laughing

I'll never forget the one older black guy. I got to give you extra drive right there

He did and then one older black guy from Cleveland Johnny Duncan. He was a great man

And he'll he would say you don't know what your boys are laughing at he goes

That way boy going kick your ass and I would go in there and do it and and come out and win

But yeah, it was tough man now growing up in my neighborhood

Wasn't that bad or you know a lot of guys like me and uh

You know, it was kind of one of those things, but it was a tough rugged area

You know, you had kids that we pick up. You know, we play hockey roll hockey in the driveway

You know, you got hit checked and it was with a pop can, you know, something like that. So probably there a figure or top

Pop can

The uh, you know, tell me something that's true

That you think is true that almost nobody

agrees with you on

I could see you being opinionated

What do you get anything you could think of that's that's true that most people like

uh

You know eight out of ten people wouldn't agree with you on this question that you're trying to get me some shit for

We could delete it. You know what I mean this this ain't going live

Uh, um, that's a good one. You know what? I don't know

So I really don't

Car I don't know how many things are really true anymore. You go on the internet and you find out all these different things are being debunked

Well, how about this? You mentioned uh, you know spiritually, you know, uh, you know, I'm not sure everybody was at maybe 10 minutes

Go you talk about, you know, something spiritual

Let's say you know if heaven exists, you know, what would you like to hear God say

Uh, about you or to you when you enter the gates

Come in

Just want to know you made uh come in we made it come on right yeah

You know

Kelle you took the long way to get her bro. So um, yeah, that that what I just true though

I really would want to hear that but I don't know. I guess dig the good, you know

Because everybody knows the bads that everybody does right that's life here on earth

Especially when you're in the limelight exactly. That's here in this world that we live in um

I want you know, I guess

If I make it that far, you know to them

I want to hear the good things too though, you know because obviously we know

If you're a spiritual religious guy, you know the things you do because usually at night you say the person you ask for the forgiveness

So I really want to hear about it, but I would like for him

Them to realize the good that I did, you know, we want that here too and but me. I'm a type person. I do a lot of um

Charitable work, but I keep it under the radar too because I feel like um if you go out there and you publicize

Unfortunate or wrong reasons a lot of times you got to put because if you really want to do like it raised a lot of money for a certain cause

You have to get it out there. Oh no, and that's part of my charitable organization now

And I used to do by golf outings for all different types of charities too, but there was a lot that people didn't see under the radar

That I did and um because I didn't want that attention brought to it. It was more so out of

my heart and

I those are the kind of things or when I see somebody struggling, you know

I want him to know how I feel that I don't like it, you know

That I feel bad because I do I think that's no empathy some some sometimes on this plant that we're right now

That gets the best of people too because sometimes that heart has landed me in situations that

It shouldn't of you know what I mean? And then you use that every pent kind of like thing like

Why am I going through this when I was doing it out of a good good reason or thinking it was good reason

But that is a good question and I guess that would be what my my thing would be like

Did you notice what?

I was going through you know when we pray do we have to talk out loud to you so you understand or do you can you read our mind or

And our what goes on in here, I guess so I mean like deep deep thinking really

You know you you talk about being a parent

You know you got a couple kids, you know you talk about

Coming up and boxing, you know

Outwork people you know the work that goes into it and then also you would tell that person

You know, you got to have the right people around you. Yeah, you know

I know a big part of you know one of my struggles and that eventually I would be able to succeed at was to

You know, this is a big thing to me

loyal

You know what I mean?

It's all my ribs.

You know, it's something that I think people that have been around me for a long time.

Most know that that would be a word you would probably use to describe me.

I would think.

And I had to learn how to pull myself away from certain circles where in order for me

to go to another level in life and help a lot more people, I had to remove myself.

You know, from some of the things that I was doing, some of the people that I was doing

it with.

And then later on in life as we got older and matured, I would be able to bring some

of those folks back into my life and come back around.

But I had to go.

I had to like leave.

And you know, what advice would you give to somebody?

You know, that's young that way that maybe grows up in an environment where it's rough

and so you're hanging around a certain group of people.

And it's just a product of the environment.

And then you start to make it.

You know, you take off.

How do you balance that?

All right.

Like I'm loyal.

And I didn't forget who I am and where I come from.

But I can't keep doing this or it's going and we ain't going to, I can't help nobody.

That's another.

Because it's going to jack me up.

That's another really good question.

And there's so many ways.

So what advice do you give to somebody?

Yeah.

And there's so many ways to answer that too.

First of all, I guess the question is to what extent is your loyalty?

Where do you draw the line on loyalty?

I think sometimes that because you don't do something, don't mean it's not loyalty.

Why should you endure or go through or be put away or ruin your life?

Because one of another person that you say you're going to be loyal for but they're going

out being a derelict.

That's where to use, I guess.

You know what I mean?

Like not caring.

They don't have your interest at heart.

They don't, ooh, you know, they're not doing it.

So where do you draw the line?

Because you can still be loyal.

It would be a loyal person.

And like you said, but you know, when you got it better yourself, you have to better yourself.

So that way you can reach out and better a lot more people than just this one group.

Right?

I mean, I think that's what a lot of people want to do.

I know that's how you are.

So if you just take committed to this small group and this is what I would tell you on

kid, they're going to chances already, people we're being loyal to at the beginning because

it's, they say to run yourself, we'll get people, but it's impossible to go your entire

lifetime without being around somebody tugging at your shirt to bring you down.

And no matter how successful you are, I can guarantee right now Bill Gates still got one

guy floating around on it as, you know, he's just that guy.

I can feel you know him, you dog.

Yeah, you know, hey, homie, you know, and he kept it.

I'm sure Bill Gates kept him around, right?

Because we all do.

I mean, that's just how it is.

But I guess it's like, where do you end it, though?

Do you keep all of them around?

You know, I've had my fair share and I don't care if they're out there.

I've had a deep conversation.

You know, I've had a lot of public and private conversations with Maurice about this.

Yeah.

Where he's like, you know, I take ownership over what I've done.

But a lot of it is like out of the loyalty stuff, I got myself mixed up.

Absolutely.

And you don't know.

And then you're afraid, you know, because athletes and even fires, we got hearts too.

Like, we don't want to hurt this guy's feeling.

We don't want to act like we're too good.

But you know, you eventually, and I still, that's one of my biggest things that I'm still

working on, you know, right now is that like learning to say no, you know, it's hardly

hard for you too, man, because you're right there.

You are.

And you're different if you live in California.

You know, in a main, but you're right in New York.

And you're right in Youngstown.

Exactly.

Everybody, you know, in a main.

And if you do know, if you say this, if you say that, you think he's too good, you're

in a whole.

So when you're, especially when you're in a rebuilding process.

And so I would say like, yeah, you know, you're going to have that like you could be a loyal

person.

You don't mean that you have to throw your life away or go through hell because you're

loyal.

People should respect the fact that if you don't want to be involved with this and they're

trying to drag you that way and you don't like it.

They're not supporting you.

They're not supporting you.

Yeah.

So they don't deserve your loyalty, you know what I mean?

And that's the thing, you know, going back on it, because you are, you're going to have

those guys around.

And you know what?

Sometimes those people that could, that are there that shouldn't be, some, they're fun.

They're fun to be around.

They may make you laugh more, though, more so than a guy who's actually going to get your

business account up higher.

Right.

But you know, you're just fun.

You're, you're comfortable around them.

But you have to watch them, you know, you have to just keep the right people around you

for the most part.

Um, loyalty, I mean, it's like, where do you draw a line on loyalty?

I guess, um, you know, somebody, my word would be if somebody is, you feel like, you're

feel like somebody's not out for your best interest.

Screwed loyalty.

You have to get rid of them.

It's not that you're not loyal no more.

It's just that you're being smart and you're trying to be successful and you want to be able

to help out to others.

You want to live your life the way you can.

Because one choice could really change an entire lifetime.

Absolutely.

One split second that you can never get back can be a big difference.

And that could come down because of the loyalty that you know, you know, you know, in

my listen to a guy's for leadership stuff, his name's John Maxwell.

They say, you know, John Maxwell says, you can't get to the top on accident.

That's got to be intentional.

It's a climb.

It's a grind, but you could fall off the top of a mountain on accident.

You could climb up a mountain.

That has to be intentional.

But to fall off, that, that can be an accident.

You ain't watching where you're stepping.

You could fall down.

You know, the main thing is, that's how I would describe that picking up, you know, we talked

about in order to win, you got to have failures.

You know, nobody goes undefeated in life.

Can you talk about, you know, what do you think was maybe a moment where you've had maybe

your biggest failure?

And what did you learn from that?

Man, there was a, there was a handful of them actually, man.

We could go into far as businesses, but even just personal.

I mean, I guess you know, going out and living away, I was there for a while.

I mean, we got to be realistic on it, innocent stuff, but was I really doing what I could

do?

Some people might not know.

You know what I mean?

Like I'm so focused on positive.

And like I don't just vibe, I don't judge what's in the papers.

You know what I mean?

I mean, I'm probably halfway removed from like, I don't even know what you're doing.

Yeah, exactly.

So my, my, my would have been, you know, to go out with the friends and the, the galvanic,

you know, that the having fun, drinking and things like that.

And there was a lot of things that were getting lost.

You know, I was, that was losing touch with, you know, and especially after I retired,

I guess the ego, you know, hey, I'm 30 years old, I'm retired.

I'm going to do this, you know, screw them, you know, and I still to the point, you know,

the animosity when you hear people talk and say stuff, it's that you get that animosity.

So like, who the hell are you to really, you know, if anybody has the right to be here?

If I want to do a headstand with it, not always about my butt, I have the right to do it,

you know, more so than you.

But then you know that?

No, absolutely not.

I'm not even, if I was that, if I was that flexible, I'd probably would have, you know, if I had

it in me.

So that, you need a lot of core strength on that.

But, yeah, but, you know, so that, that was like one of the things, but you also have to

get out of that mindset, you know, going back to like what I said, you know, the last

three years has been like a grind, you know, like, and I'm having fun because it's on

my time, my clock, doing what I want to do, but it's also keeping me busy.

You know what I mean?

And it's like a new venture.

It's a new challenge for me.

And, but you have those in your life, you know, and obviously the legal issues come from

it, you know, and then when you're in the spotlight, like, you have a person, a young

son does a lot worse than what I do.

And I took the, yeah, I was talking to somebody the other day, you know, I look back at what

I was doing as a kid.

And I mean, here around here where I live now, I would have been the worst kid in a one-hour

radius.

Yeah.

And youngstown, not as bad.

Oh, you're just, it's all right.

You know, you sold some dope.

You know what I mean?

You got street credit too.

And you know, you know, it's like, I can't even that bad.

You know, it's like, you know, the average person in that environment over there is different.

You know, it's nothing's better.

It's just not a, it's just not a youngstown thing.

I mean, that right there is a street cred thing.

You know, you're one of the guys, you know, yeah, mine, and I'm not, this is not to do

what like excuses are like poor me, pity party for Kelly.

It's not, and it's, but through this, I still feel that way to a certain point.

At the same time, you got to step aside and say, but are you living your best, Kelly?

Okay.

Yeah, like screw what they're saying.

Are you doing what you should be doing and taking ownership?

Yeah.

And that's yourself.

Yes.

And because of what somebody else got to say, but he's looking yourself.

Exactly.

He's saying about doing what I need to be doing.

Yeah.

Like could I be at a better place?

Can I be doing better?

Yeah.

That's version of yourself.

Absolutely.

That's where it, that's why it has gotten this route now to last, you know, a couple of

years and I'm enjoying it.

I mean, it's stressful sometimes and it gets, you know, spread a little thin.

But again, I'm still able to commit time to my family and some of these things you're

learning to patients because they take time to, you know, come about.

And so that's where I'm at.

I mean, yeah, some of them things like that, you know, you go back even into the courier

just, it's so many.

And when you get involved in a career like that, there's so many things that's just really

hard at pinpoint certain things to pick out.

But from just recently, what I could, it stands out to me, that would be the last three

years.

Rapping up, you know, what, who would you say were the three most influential people in

your life?

And what did you pull from them?

Man, there were a lot of influential people in my life.

And especially at certain periods, you know, it's where people come into your life.

It's like they come in where they're needed.

But I would say probably right now, I'm going to have to list more than three, but they're

all tied.

Yeah, rip it.

My parents, what my dad and my mom have done for me, you know, God bless my mom.

What did you learn from me?

Two of them.

How does state, state of course, state of line, you know what I mean?

They tell you and still like, I think that's where the heart comes from.

You know what I mean?

I'm wanting to help people and stuff like that.

My dad was always on me about, and still to his day, up 37, my dad's still like I'm 12.

You know what I mean?

If I make a certain decision, you know, I swear, I learn like that respect, listen to

him, take in what he's saying, quit being stubborn and hard headed.

That my dad, you know, my parents, what my career day supported me.

Sometimes that's all you need.

If you got that backing that you need, and they never overstepped anything.

They never crossed the line.

My dad didn't come in as my trainer or manager.

He stayed back, but he made sure that everybody had, you know, my interest at the best

of mine.

And I would have to say that my grandmother was another one.

And I still to his day, repeat the saying, you know, she was amazing.

My grandma Stella, she just say things and tell you those little one of my parents.

All her dads, dads, mom, dad's mom.

Where does she die?

A tie.

She lived on the grew up on the south side down on Taft Avenue.

And she, yeah, she just had those ones saying that, you know, like it's always say like

the older people get, the older you get, the smarter your parents or grandparents get.

Like I was 18 even though I knew my dad was right.

Now I was getting ready to go out.

I'd be like, man, you're stupid.

You're the dumbest person in the world.

And then like, I get the 37.

I'm going, how do he become a genius that quick?

He didn't even go to school, you know what I mean?

Like they do become smarter because you mature.

My grandma was a big part of it.

A big influence.

My wife, I've been mature.

You learn from your grandma.

Um, there's one line is, you know, that's why I can't really explain like when you think

things are bad.

You know, um, everybody's got it worse than you.

You know, just, you know, if you, simple things in life, don't mess with it.

If you don't know what, what you're doing, don't mess with it.

But she'd always talk to me.

It's hard.

It's really to this day hard to pick up.

I just remember sitting at her table because she lived close and we would walk down.

Even at 15, 16, I would just walk a three minute walk to her house.

She come over.

She always wanted the best for me.

My kids, you know, things I do with my kids that is day.

My grandma along with my parents was there for me.

Um, my brother was played a big part in, you know, my, my success and, you know, backing.

My wife, you know, I was with her.

She's got, she was, that's our date in her, maybe four fights into my career.

So she was there.

The very beginning.

Yeah, the whole thing.

Yeah, until now I've been retired seven years.

Um, it's just one of those things, you know, there's so many people, but yeah, those three stand out.

One of my parents, my grandmother, my brothers would be tied with her.

I had a buddy that actually lived right across the street.

He's, he's a brother to me, Louis, Alessio.

He's the one that actually got me in a boxing because his parents were a lot older at the time.

And his dad fought back in the 40s and just going down his basement, grabbing them gloves out,

taking the old cooking timer, putting it on three, putting Vaseline on us.

And I would get my, my ass whoop.

And I was the youngest and I would have to go home and say, I got it from playing football.

You know, all those people played a big role and were a big influence.

And I'm still to this day.

You know, Louis has been in a service now for 22 years.

And I'm, I still talk, we're like family.

He's open, hopefully moving back to Ohio when he retires next year.

Those people like that, those are all the ones that really played a big role.

Nothing never really mattered.

People talked and people came up to me and say things and I would listen and I would kind of like use it.

But what those people that I mentioned said, everything that they thought or said is what really mattered to.

So it's kind of like, when you know how much they care about you exactly.

So when you know they got your back, you know, they're there to help you.

They're a decent influence because you take what you take their word to heart.

You listen to them.

And because you know, chances are anybody, those are the ones that are staring you in the right direction.

And you know, my dad to this day, you know, I always listen to him if I have, or my wife, I always bring stuff to her.

So those are the people that really had a big influence on my career.

And I believe about the same love it.

Love it. Thanks.

Where could people connect with you if they're trying to follow you or, you know, your journey?

And you know, I think we got the app, you know, down where would somebody be able to follow, you know, follow you or, or, you know,

know connect with you online or something. Yeah, you go to my Instagram's public.kelly.

Facebook is, you know, Kelly Pavlik, um, in full of accounts, but they can find which one.

The punchline, what Kelly, Pavlik and James Dominguez, I say the best way on that is, you know,

just go to punchline.live and it takes you to all of our old shows, upcoming shows,

right interviews, uh, things like that right now. And then the Kelly, Pavlik,

charitable organization, which is being formed right now and we're going to be doing fun

raises and we'll keep everybody posted on that when, you know, anytime that there's an event,

we'll let everybody know about it. So love it. Love it. I, uh, what do you think about the new

studio laid out, man? Last time we wrote over there, the picnic tank. Yeah, this is nice. And

you know, and I still got a picnic table for mine. I do it out of my gym. I just got a little green

screen behind me, but you got it going on here, man. This, I can stay here. That's what I was saying.

I go, why only an hour, man? I'm sitting here with all these beautiful colors and

this is nice. Appreciate you, man. You know, to, to have somebody, you know, I know you've been on

Joe Rogan and, you know, the main I saw you on Rogan. This is a lot nicer than Rogan. I got you,

you know, I got you, I got you to roll, you know, to roll with me. So thanks for,

thanks for coming down to rock with me today, bro. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. I know you're

pulling a lot of direction. So thanks for joining us on another episode of Grindcast. Get ready

it's a new day. I'm, but I'm not a man. My dad gritts his time. So I'm trying to told him I'm a beast, but