Turf Wars II

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Welcome back to another episode of The Grindcast.

Get ready.

It's a new day.

We got this dynamic duo here.

We got Bill Hutchinson in the house.

Fresh off his last victory seemed like that blue, that blue buy, right?

And then we got Jared Boyer, my long time friend, Love seeing you guys partner up and do

stuff together.

So we got a fight coming up where Hutch is the main event, turf wars too.

This upcoming next week Saturday, July 12th at High Mark Stadium, haven't seen anything

done like that since I've been around, so super excited about it.

Jared, you guys want to tell us a little bit more about what's getting ready to happen

while turf wars was division.

Yeah, man.

So it was 2023.

That it actually happened started in church.

I was in church and I was doing a Thanksgiving turkey giveaway.

So I was doing it for McClellan's contracting and roofing.

And my vision for it was American gangster, bumpy Johnson, frozen turkeys out the back

of a truck.

I'm saying give them away.

So I was doing it.

Boom, boom.

We fed like 200 people and the lady who runs the facility there came up to me and she was

like, aren't you in the boxing?

Can you do boxing events?

And I was like, I know people who do that, I don't really think I could do an event by

myself, but let me think about it.

And then she just kept on asking me.

She was like, can we do a boxing event in this place?

And I'm like, beautiful place.

This would be great, but I don't know who's going to draw people to fill this place up.

So she kept on asking me and I was like, man, what I could do is an amateur event that

has like a purpose behind it.

There would be like the amateur boxing team in Pittsburgh, right?

To give them a platform to pour into them, that's what I got to give.

That's what I could put together.

We talked about that, started planning that out for about two weeks.

And then we met one time and she was like, are you sure you don't know any professionals?

Now I had just started, just got reconnected with Huts, like maybe two months before that.

He bought one of the shirts, Christian shirts, Saved Not Soft, Jesus is King, and he just

popped in my mind.

Man, I called him as soon as I got out of the meeting with her.

And I said, yeah, I got an opportunity, man, I don't know if you're looking to fight

or I don't even know what you're trying to do.

You're trying to fight and do something.

He was like, man, that's crazy because I just left the meeting, right?

You had just left the meeting that he was trying to make a deal happen for a facility.

And I was like, well, you've got to come check this out.

Montour Sportsplex, Endor Turf, and I took him in there.

Boom, he's seen it.

New was right.

It was just like a divine connection, divine timing.

And I had the facility.

And I was like, we're calling this thing Turf Wars because we want to have multi venues.

We want to have it in high marks stadium in the summer.

And we want to come back and do it here.

So that's how the whole thing got started, brought it, brought Hutch in.

And he just like, I've now, I can honestly say this.

I showed him what we had.

I've never seen somebody run so hard, so fast in my life.

This dude right here.

What do you mean by that?

Run with the vision.

Run with the vision.

I'm talking about he's seen this.

He started in his mind.

Like we need lighting, sound, the marketing.

We got to get this out to the news, calling connections.

Emoting the fight all while training for the.

Unbelievable.

Never seen I've never seen nothing.

Right.

Not only Kenny Box.

He's great at it.

But now he can on the side, he got this vision of a minor, how to set up everything like that.

We were just talking about, Hutch not only has the skill set of boxing, but he's also an

attorney.

And then also has black belt development, which we got to learn more about.

We talk about a jack of all trades.

There's so many different things that you could do.

I'm excited for you guys.

Yeah.

So he ran what it the first one was a success.

You know, the occupancy was that that was March 1st March 1st, we threw it and it all came

together.

I mean, we grinded it out the last, I mean, the last week or two grinded that thing out,

sold the tickets.

Occupancy was $7.99.

Let's just say we had $7.99 in the building.

I was saying, yep, you know, right away, as much as you could get in there.

Yeah, we packed them in there.

So everybody had a great time.

Pat the legal limit.

Yep.

And no more.

Yep.

I got you.

Everybody, the feedback was amazing.

I mean, I don't think people knew what to expect.

I think probably, you know, I had the vision of how it was going to look and how it could

be and he had it.

And I don't think really people knew what was coming.

Well, like you always say, we were originally selling an idea.

Yeah.

Now we have a product to sell, right?

You know, at first, we were trying to sell people on what could be.

And now that we pulled it off, you know, we welcome the bandwagon jumpers.

Don't get me wrong.

But now everybody believes because we did it.

You know, now it's not just some vision.

It's not just some idea.

It's a product that we can tangibly go back through the numbers.

We can show sponsors.

We can show the stadium.

We can show the different venues.

We can show the different fighters.

The numbers.

Men, live women, live numbers don't.

Yeah.

So the reality was, you know, everybody that was kind of on the fence about what we were

capable of are not believers.

Yeah.

Yep.

No doubt.

So the fights were great fights, world championship, caliber boxing is what we're trying

to do.

Live entertainment.

And then a purpose behind it, right?

Because that's what I bring to it.

Like I can't do anything on purpose.

Without a purpose.

Yeah, I have to have.

I can't do anything.

I just who I am.

I can't do anything on any platform without trying to bring something that's going to

make an impact to it.

So we didn't really get into that.

We didn't really have time to really get into that for the first one.

It was just so quick.

But this one, we have a mission impact section where we're going to be giving back to two

local nonprofits that are doing major work for the youth in the city.

So one of them are still still city impact.

And the other one is four, one, two ministries doing great work in the city.

We want to be able.

And I got my own youth thing.

You know what I'm saying?

I want to get, bring people in and give back to others, you know?

Love it.

Well, and it's a great, it's a great thing from our perspective.

And one of the biggest things that attracted me to this situation with Jared was you

build a platform, you have this scenario, not only for myself as a fighter, but for these

other young up and coming fighters, right?

We have this platform, we have this voice.

What do you do with it?

Right?

Jared said, you know, why don't you use this platform for something positive?

You know, we're investing in these young boxers careers with this promotion.

For sure.

Why don't we invest in these young boxers and the crowd and the people that are watching

us into their spiritual future and their purpose as well?

Right?

Lead by example, you know, all of our events are all ages.

You know, I just had my son last time.

He loved it.

He loved it.

100%.

He just had a call this morning with one of the talent that's going to be performing

at the event.

And we were, he was like, I get it.

No cursing, but like, you know what I mean?

Like we're not, we're not playing, we're not playing around with that kind of stuff.

We want it to be family friendly.

We want it to be all ages.

That is on purpose for a purpose.

Yeah, changing the stigma of like how people view boxing too.

Right.

Because it could be looked at negatively.

No doubt.

All the time people were like violence, violence, but they don't talk about like boxing,

save my life.

Right.

You know what I'm saying?

I'll talk about perseverance, healthy habits, disappointment, discipline, right?

Coachability.

But we're trying to pull that out.

Humility.

Come on.

Give me some more.

Right?

All the things that you can get and grow from sports like that.

So we want to pull that out.

And I think that it's becoming more popular, which is a good thing, but it's becoming more

popular to do good, to be good, to be Christian.

People are speaking out about it and saying, hey, hold on a minute.

This isn't just some little silent minority over here, right?

We're standing up for what we believe in.

We're standing up for what's right and we're leading by example.

And as that becomes more and more acceptable, it allows those who may be on the fence or

are thinking about giving it a try or thinking about going to their first church service or

thinking about, you know, giving their life to the Lord or whatever that looks like for

you individually.

Hey, maybe it's okay.

Maybe it's okay for me to be, to hear you out, right?

Maybe it's okay for me to navigate down that path and see if that's for me.

And that's what that's really what this was about for me.

And why I was attracted to doing this with Jared was because I thought he was dead on

I thought that that was the right time in the right place.

And like he said, it all the universe kind of came together on that for this series and

for these of this this event series to do that in our own way.

What's the card looking like?

It's fantastic.

How many we got you got most of that down in already?

It's done.

Okay.

So we have six professional fights.

Okay.

Okay.

My fight, which is the main event I'm fighting for the UBF all America's title, which is

going to lead us right into a world title in the fall.

So we're super excited about that.

We got some young up and coming guys on the car.

We got Saudi Simone, who's an undefeated young, hungry kid, you know, really starting to

put some things together.

He's joined my team.

He's working with Chris Williams and Ryan Flora.

So he's really shown a ton of improvement.

We got Tommy Parker, young, tough kid from the North side, bringing a nice crowd.

I'm Mark Stadium is dang near in his back yard.

Back yard.

So it's it just makes a ton of sense.

We got Paul Palombo, undefeated guy working with Tommy and Kelo.

We got Ed Latimore making a comeback.

And Latimore, right?

Black magic coming back, baby.

You know, motivational speaker author.

He's got a book coming out and it's a great opportunity for him to literally walk out

what he's talking in his book and show people what he's been working on.

So we're super, super excited about that.

And then we got a little little surprise for you in an exhibition about that the people

were just not quite ready for but stay tuned.

And I think that you're going to be real excited about that.

Love it.

Anything different, Hutch, about this camp versus last time, you know, around, you know,

more work, less work.

I'm older.

Everything hurts more.

You know, it's just it is what it is.

But we're grinding it out.

You know, I mean, like, you know, I it's funny.

I go into these training sessions and coaches or other fighters are like, man, you still

got it.

Man, it looks great.

Better than you ever looked.

Loddy, doddy, doddy.

I'm like, man, in here, I'm hard dog.

Right.

But, right.

But it is, you know, I'm on the back nine of my career.

That's just the reality of my situation.

But I'm performing at the best I ever have right now.

And we're going to ride this thing out until I can't do it anymore.

Love it.

So you're feeling good?

Yeah.

Yeah.

The thing is, is that I'm performing right?

So that's exciting.

And my vision and my fight IQ is better than it's ever been.

Things are slowing down.

It's like, you know, I can't miss right now.

So I'm loving that.

I'm hitting harder than I ever have.

My technique's better than it's ever been.

I just have to take my recovery a lot more seriously nowadays.

For sure.

And that's hard for me to swallow.

You know, like, I'm that guy that my whole career, I was the hardest worker in the room.

Nobody, you know, did more rounds than me.

Nobody, you know, went harder than me and straight than conditioning.

So on and so forth.

It's humbling for me now to sit back and watch some of these younger guys put in a little

more work than me.

You know, because my body, my body, I don't want to leave it in the training room, right?

So it's taken a while for me to come to terms with the fact that a rest day is okay

for me right now.

And that's an uncomfortable feeling.

That's an uncomfortable feeling.

Yeah, that takes this.

I've never done that before, but it's paying off, you know, it's paying off that last fight.

I was probably the performance, the best performance I've had in a long time.

Maybe I'm sure.

You know what I mean?

I felt so good.

And that was the first fight I've ever had where I went into that ring healthy.

Ever.

I was almost uncomfortable.

How good I felt.

Got it down in.

You know what I mean?

And so that's all back to that, that not just running my head through the wall, you know,

trying to be a little smarter about my training, trying to be a little smarter about

my rest and recovery.

And it's not easy for me, but I'm working on it.

So would you say that's the biggest mental aspect, you know, leading up to your fights now?

Definitely.

Is more this battle you're talking about?

Definitely.

It's put in myself in the best position on the night, right?

If you're coming out to the fight to watch me perform, you don't really care how many

days I trained.

You don't really care if I did three days.

All you see is what you get, right?

You're going to see me perform.

And if I go out there and look great, you're not going to care about any of that other stuff.

So I stopped kind of trying to be the gym hero and really just focusing my training on

peaking on fight night and being healthy on fight night and making sure that everything

I had was available when it counted.

Makes sense?

What's your perspective on on some of that stuff?

Well, I was going to jump in and then he said everything I was going to say.

You know what I was saying?

And which was like just my observance from beginning of his career being around him in

the amateurs.

And when he first started, when he first turned pro, then he just had a few years ago fought

Adrian Broner, went 12 rounds with Adrian Broner.

Then he came back two years later, right?

Two years fought this veteran, Kaurau and for sure, looked the best that he's ever looked.

I mean, leading up to it though, the feeling, the vibe, the looseness.

I've never seen him relaxed.

That relaxed, flowing.

I didn't, like he said, he was the healthiest he's ever been.

So I mean, he might say these older, but I mean, when I see him moving in the ring, he's

so many steps ahead.

You know what I'm saying?

He has to discipline himself.

I call it the FU face in the gym.

Sometimes he'll put that FU face off and then just go, you know, trade his job.

He's going to blow out through it.

Blow out through it.

Right.

But now, but when he kicks in that, kicks in that IQ and that experience coming, he could

take a step back and he could for real pick people apart.

You know?

So I've seen that, I've seen that grow in this training camp this time and leading up to

this in the last one.

You've been using, you know, the, you love and passion, you know, for boxing and helping

people, you know, mixing those two things for a while, you know, since I've known you,

which has been a long time at Blue By.

Yeah.

You know, I don't know, eight, nine years.

Yeah.

You know, eight years, yo.

And, you know, I've learned, you know, I've watched you overcome some adversity.

I know you had a bunch of adversity before I ever even met you and we were talking a

little bit about what people that don't understand, they look at a sport like boxing and

they look at it as odd, just violent and it's, you know, bad for maybe kids to be.

around or whatever, but miss out on all the positives.

Right.

You know, that it can bring one of them being, you know, mentally given somebody an outlet

and teaching you how to overcome losses and, you know, handle adversity and stuff like

that.

What would be some ways or, you know, what were some of the things that you've had to overcome,

some adversities that you've overcome that maybe other people can benefit on, you know,

how did you overcome some of those adversities?

So I mean, we could take it back and talk about like the physical adversities of growing

up without, you know, the best guidance, right?

Or, you know, family adversities, but I think the main adversity that if anybody listens

to this, what they would get out of it would be the inner adversity, you know what I'm saying?

It's the you, the you, the you, verse you, you know what I'm saying?

What like what I want to achieve, do I want to, the adversity?

So the adversity is you got one, your flesh and then your spirit, right, or a war.

And the Bible says the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.

So if I want to go do things in my own flesh, you know, things that I shouldn't be doing

by the spirit, go out, go out, party and drink in, you know what I'm saying?

You got to sacrifice and put that stuff down to be able to go where you want to go.

God gives you a vision.

He gives everybody a purpose in life.

But everybody has a choice.

We all got a choice to make.

Like many are called fewer chosen.

And the reason the fewer chosen is because they have to choose which way they're going to

go.

And that has been that has been with my passion and my, you know, I don't want to speak

stubbornness over myself, but, you know, I can be stubborn, you know, and I got a passion

to do things.

Sometimes you got to be stubborn to win.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

What have been some things that you have to, that you've had to like sacrifice, you know,

when you're talking about the spirit as willing, but the flesh as weak?

Yeah.

I mean, all the things that aren't good for you anyway, you know, if I want to, if I want

to be a leader, I can't be, and I mean, I don't want to anyways, but I can't be out

and bars drinking and party with you.

You're not going to catch me there.

I can't be running around with women, a bunch of different women all the time.

Yep.

I was married.

You know, I can't be doing that.

Those are all things that aren't, if you're trying to get like, you're fighting and you

have a diet, you can't be in cake and ice cream three times a week.

Those things aren't good for you.

So basically you sacrifice all the things that weren't meant for you to have anyway in the

first place.

That's what I think of.

What would you say, you know, maybe one of your biggest adversities that you've gone

through, Hutch, Jared, and how you overcame, you know, what comes the mind, you know,

for you guys?

So my first one would be, like just keeping it a hundred would be the one with my family.

You know, I had kids with a woman, you know what I'm saying?

And you know, it was unevenly yoked and we tried to make it work a long time and it just

didn't.

So that was the hardest thing that I had to go through.

Ever.

Yeah, you don't see your kids, you're with your kids every day, every night, you know, and

then they're not there for weeks.

You know what I'm saying?

But that's where I met, that's where I had to, that's where I needed Jesus.

That's where something good came into my life that changed my life forever.

So in, so that it worked.

I mean, also like how, you know, so how do you get through that?

You know, I'm a dad, you know, in a mean, and I got three young kids, I can imagine that

feeling.

You know, in a mean, and what that would be like.

And then, you know, just statistically, you look at the world and it's like if, if half

the people on this got kids in their marry, you know, there's probably a good portion of

those people that may have been in a similar situation.

Statistically, that's what it says, you know, the main, so you know, there's probably people

out there that could benefit from like, how do you mentally get through that?

So it's accountability.

It's like you have to make a choice, right?

God's going to put people around you, right mentors, people coming to your life.

And what I did was like, I seen the world, I seen my situation, right?

There was no good at all.

But then there was people over here.

There was a couple people who were telling me the truth, right?

Somebody came and told me who Jesus was, right?

He started pouring into me and I was like, I can't do this no more, right?

33 years old, a lot of my kids are gone.

Like I can't go this way no more.

I got to go this way, but I had to start making choices, my own choices.

It wasn't like some magic thing that just was going to drop.

Everything was going to change and get better.

I had to walk the narrow path of righteousness.

There was a path I had to walk that the one way goes to destruction.

One way leads to light and life.

And I had to make intentional choices.

That's at the end of the day, what changed me.

The choices that I made to do the right thing and not the wrong thing.

Any adversity obstacles come to mind for you and how that maybe impacted your life?

To Jared's point, I think that we could go down a lot of different paths with him.

I mean, we face adversity every single day, no doubt about it.

Kind of piggybacking off what he said, though.

I think that for me personally, there's still adversity in marriages that work too.

We just happen to figure it out.

We happen to get on the same page.

We went to church, we prayed about it.

We went down that path, if you will, of what does this look like?

If we do split up, do we want to be together?

Do we want to work on this?

I've been with my wife for over 15 years.

So as you can imagine, the man that I was then is very different than the man that's sitting

here today.

So you either grow together or you grow apart and you have to make that decision and make

sure that your morals, your principles, your values are aligned.

And if you have some disagreements, but those core things are aligned, you can make that

work, right?

In Jared's situation, maybe those core things weren't there.

And like he said, he was really going to different paths as it related to following his walk with

God and everything else.

Luckily for me and my situation, both me and my wife wanted to walk that together, right?

And so we were able to stay together and keep that household together for my son, right?

So it's really important and it's okay in a lot of ways to have those adversities,

to have those conversations, to talk it out and make sure that you're on the same page

with your significant other.

And in a lot of ways, you might be happy that you did because you know you're on the same

page, to raise up that child together in the right way.

Right.

No doubts.

Best decision you ever made comes to mind.

All right.

So cliche, obviously, when I accepted Jesus, you know, cliche, but I would say even more

than that is the last.

But why?

You know, like if I'm listening, I haven't really, I've heard people say stuff like that,

but why?

So when I received Jesus, right?

So somebody came and told me who Jesus was.

And nobody had ever told me that in my life.

So when they did tell me that my mind started thinking a different type of way, right?

If God did this for you, right?

And said his son to die for you.

Somebody has to tell you that, right?

So when somebody told me that instantly, my mind started thinking like, okay, all these

things that I've been through in my life, right, brought me to this point, brought me to

a point in time where I could go forward and use all that to help other people.

So when I accepted that, I instantly started knowing it didn't happen immediately, but

instantly I knew that life wasn't about me no more.

I wasn't living for myself, growing up, surviving.

You want to take, take, take, take, take, take, take, take, right?

But in that moment, right, when Jesus, you know, God gave, he's a giver.

He gave his only son to die for us.

So in that moment, I knew that my purpose wasn't going to be to take.

It wasn't about just surviving for me and taking for my kids.

It was to give back to other people.

That is what changed.

When Jesus came into my life, that's the main thing that changed was to be a giver and

not a taker, right?

So, and there's nothing else that fuels me more than seeing somebody, God using me to impact

somebody else's life.

So I've had people who have all the money, they have all the money that they're ever

going to want.

They got a beautiful wife.

They got amazing kids, a beautiful house.

And they come to me and they're like, Jared, you're so blessed.

And I'm like, I say, you blessed two of my brothers, you know, we all, God's children,

but like your faith, Jared, it's just, your faith is just, and I'm just like, you know,

I choose to believe.

It's a choice, right?

I'm telling you the same thing that somebody told me.

Now you either choose it and you take steps in faith and action step.

Love is an action word, right?

You got to take a step in faith and watch God move on your behalf.

So that's what I would say when I accepted Jesus that giving became the overall theme

instead of taking for what I wanted.

So if I said, give me two, right, of the best decisions you've ever made.

Yeah, the next one.

That would be the next one or would those be the two, except in Jesus and then turn

into a giver instead of just a taker.

No, the last, the best decision, the last best decision that I made was the last door

that God opened up for me.

The five day, the five day event that I told you about just happened, right?

The one before that God opened, gave my wife.

I, that was the best decision.

So the best decision was my last decision that God opened up for me.

Right?

And then you asked me that in two months, I probably have another best decision that I made.

Yeah.

That's great.

How about you, touch?

Best decision I ever made was decide with my wife to have my son, man.

Everything I can do.

Love him being a dad.

I love it, dude.

I really love it because you know, it's so funny.

It's, people tell you the moment he's born, everything, right?

And you're just like, okay, buddy, I got it.

Yeah, yeah, everything's going to change for sure.

But it really does and it did for me.

Genuinely, I can't do anything.

I'm literally sitting here right now thinking about how can I be a good example for my son?

Yeah.

Right?

What can I say?

What can I do?

What, what, what can I work towards?

How can I strive to be a good example for him so that one day he could look back and

say, man, I'm proud of my dad.

You know what I mean?

No, dad.

That's what I want to do now in life.

Everything I do, every decision I make is no longer about me.

It's all about how I can provide, how I can be an example, and how I can set my son up

for his future.

Mm-hmm.

So what would you say you've grown in the most since maybe 10 years ago?

You talked about, hey, I've been with my wife 15 years.

Obviously, I'm a different man today than I was 15 years ago.

What is the hutch today versus 10 years ago?

I think the biggest thing for me is, and anybody that's ever known me or been around me

in any way, shape, or form would probably tell you that I'm all in.

And whatever I do, I'm all in.

100.

So, if that's in a bad lane, probably not the best, right?

The biggest thing for me to answer your question is the best decisions that I've made as I've

grown is putting myself on that trajectory in a positive way, right?

What I'm about to just dive into and go all out in is a positive thing.

It's going to help me, it's going to help my family, it's for my future.

You know, it's surrounded by good people or by faith.

So obviously, you've got to make that decision.

You've got to make that decision.

I say, well, if somebody's listening out there and they want the same, you know, they

catch themselves, they're in a peer to their life right now, where they're maybe they're

all in personality and they find themselves kind of going all in on, obviously, you've got

to make a decision, right?

So you say, well, how?

Well, I made the decision, right?

But other than that, what other tips would you give somebody to kind of make that shift?

I think the biggest thing is for anybody out there listening is putting yourself around

other people that are making good decisions, right?

Because some people, like me and a younger in a younger life, didn't know maybe what the

right decision was, right?

I might have had good intentions and fallen into something that was rooted in maybe even

not necessarily evil, but rooted in something negative, right?

So being around people that are putting you in a position to be on a right track where,

okay, he's not getting hammered in front of me.

He's not going over there scamming people.

He's not going over there over charging people for this service or he's not doing this and

he's not doing that.

Being around people that are solid, that are honest, that are transparent, and then when

you have these kind of conversations and you're deciding or being encouraged into certain

lanes in life, whether that be your work, whether that be your hobby, whatever that looks

like, you're getting set up to dive into something positive.

Right.

Hey, man, do you believe Jared greatness, somebody that's great, do you think it's more something

that they're born with or something that's built over time?

I think everybody's born with greatness in them, but here we go back again to like decision

making, right?

What you choose to do with that seed, you know, it's built, right?

It doesn't just happen like magic.

You have to, it has to be built for sure.

What about you, Hutch?

I think that, I think that that's a very interesting question because I do think that there are certain

individuals that are chosen for what we as humans or flesh would consider greatness, right?

We all have purpose.

Who defines what your purpose is better than his purpose or your purpose is better than

my purpose, right?

We are all in this master plan that isn't ours, right?

So what, to define what that is, I think as a human, we may look at somebody and say, oh,

he's great.

And he's not, but really who's judging that, right?

So I think that in that way, Jared's right that we all have greatness in us.

It might not be the greatness that we individually aspired for, but we maybe haven't realized yet

what our true plan was or our true purpose was.

You know, I can tell you right now that I've wanted to do a lot of things that I was very

disappointed, didn't work out for me, but I wouldn't be sitting here today.

I wouldn't be where I'm at in life today had I got what I wanted.

So maybe I don't know.

Right, right, right?

No doubt.

So to, to, if it answers your question, I know that was a long, windy road, but I think

to answer your question, I agree that we all have greatness in us, we all have to work for it,

but to be open to a plan that isn't our own.

No doubt. I think the two things that keeps coming out of both of you is having faith

and then surrounding yourself with the right people. Because I look same thing. You're like,

man, there's things that I thought that I wanted that now that I look back on it, I'm glad I didn't

get what I thought that I wanted at the time. And so there's seasons of life. And when you're in

a season, when you're in a winter season, at times it could feel like it's forever, but when you get

out of that season, you see how much that you've grown, how much better off that you are. If there

was a button that you could have pushed in the middle of that season, like, hey, get me out of here,

maybe you would have chose to get me out of here, not understanding that it was all developing you

and exactly who you were supposed to be that you wouldn't go back and change a thing because it

made you the person, the woman, the man, the whatever. It develops you into who you're called to be,

you know, in this moment, I think people that make it out of that to the other side, you got to have

a little bit of grit. But I think it's really having that level of faith. If you could have that deep,

deep level of faith that it's going to work out for me on the other side, everything that's

happening, that's happening for me, it's not happening to me, I just got to wait for those things

to transpire and then having the right amount of the right people around you. That just keeps coming

up whether your son gets older, my daughter, your kids, it's like, man, the crowd that they

are spending their time around, the people that we were influenced by, how much does that dictate

your life as a young person, even as you get older, the people that you choose to spend the majority

of your time with probably dictates a lot of where you're going.

Well, and I think the crux of a lot of what you're saying there is really powerful in everything

that we've talked about, whether it be religion, whether it be business, whether it be a fight

in the ring, out of the ring is resilience. Resilience. No doubt. You know, as I get older, I see some of

these guys, again, whether it's in religion or in business that are successful and you really get

down to it. You're like, man, this is just a resilient guy, man. He's been through it. He weathered the storm,

he stuck around, he just kept fighting, whether it mentally, physically, he's just resilient.

As I continue to grow in many different facets, I keep leveling up to new areas of my life where I'm

like, that guy right there is just a resilient guy and that's why he's here. No doubt. Truth.

Speaking of resilience, premier, right, premier youth and fitness program, is that the title of

premier youth and community center? Premier youth and community center. 2015.

Started as premier fight club. Okay. Yeah. Started in 2015 as a non-profit. Yep. Okay. And so you

got 10 years now. Yep. 10 years. Most non-profits don't make it five years. I think are the

statistics that I've that I've read about. I've been a part of a few, you know, myself. And most

non-profits don't make it five years. I don't know the statistics. I would imagine we're a little bit

less, you know, 10 years. So surviving 10 years, you probably got to have a little bit of that

perseverance and things that you've had to go through and grow through to get to this point. Can

you can you elaborate a little bit on that journey, you know, for somebody out there to think

they want to go on that journey of what you've had to overcome to get to where you're at and what

things you're celebrating right now because you did. Yeah. So I wouldn't advise jumping into a

non-profit as your first business venture. I would say that, you know, surround yourself with mentors.

Praise God for you came into my life at a certain time and you helped me out a lot, bro, believing in

me and seeing what I had gone, the vision that I had and the potential that I had. So it didn't start

off like I had to start off with a dream that I had in 2015. Premier Fight Club, non-profits are

grind, bro. The grind. Finding the right people to get together for a common cause, putting the

right people in the right place with the right skill sets. Like I was used leadership on the street

and corporate leadership, two different things right leadership on the street. You know once you build

your reputation people just do stuff for you because they know you know what you're doing and like

we're going to get the job done right. I'd say let's go do this you just do it because you know

Jared said what are you going to do this and it's going to work because it always works. But like when

you get into non-profit corporate leadership you can't just tell people what to do. You got to lead by

example and I learned that it took me a couple years to learn. Especially a non-profit. Yeah. It's

different if you're giving somebody you know like a board of people they're they're volunteering

their time. A lot of times you're dealing with volunteers. You're dealing with people that

that you have to you know talk into so to speak investing into the program investing into the

into the into the kids is different than when you're paying somebody a salary. Yeah.

Right so when you're leading people that ain't getting paid you're leading some folks that are

you know on a board that's where you got to serve with more of a vision. Yeah. You know

they need a relationship and inspire you got to inspire them. Yep. You got to be the main

motivator. You got to be the main source of energy. You got to be able to explain the fit and

all that and I never had that. I was just told people like yo just what we're doing and we're going

so it was it for me it was a journey to figure out how to you know inspire people. I knew what I was

doing was right and I was going to make an impact but like you know you got to be able to explain

that. Put the vision out there. Right. Say this is what we're doing the number of kids we're trying

to impact so how long you've been around just boxing in general. My whole life my dad was a

boxer so we had boxing we had bags speed bags weights in my gym from since the time I can remember.

What traits would you say you know you've been around good boxers. What traits would you say stick

out to you of some of the best. One I would think the ones who really get humility I think that is

humility humility I think that would be number one. It just comes of mine. Number one number one humility.

That's it because you got because if you get humbled in a ring and it's hard because fighters have

egos right you just did a podcast song. Ego evading growth opportunities. Yep. Yep. No doubt. So

so if you have a ego and you got all this pride like you think that you know everything then you

can't keep learning. Right. And if you're in there getting hit in the head and in the face and you

think you got it all together you know what I'm saying I don't even want like what can I tell you

I don't want to even turn right after you face off. Yeah I don't even want I don't know what to do.

You know coach ability yeah humility coach ability to understand like to understand that

be number one yeah to understand and that boils into life too like to understand that you don't

know at all and if somebody's trying to give you something you know take it. How about you Hatch.

I think that's a I think that's a good point I think the biggest thing for me that I may not have

given you the same answer years ago is the experience. You know as I gain more experience in my fight

IQ raises I can be in that ring and I can be safe. I know where to go. I know how to be I there's

you won't be able to put me into a position tactically where I'm compromised you know what I mean

and so out thinking the situation knowing when to attack knowing when you're safe knowing when

you're not and using that fight IQ to your ability as opposed to you know screw you I hit you you

hit me let's see who's the baddest guy you know and because that that has a shelf life that's that's

short-sighted for sure and and it took me a long time to shut that off because I've I felt

right back like let's just go like that's how I came up like we talked about before I ran the

most miles I put the most rounds in I'm the toughest guy let's go prove it that's short-lived that's

that's that's short-sighted that's not the best way but that's just my reality for a long time

in my career yeah and so getting to a point where I'm like I don't have to do this it's okay to not get hit

you know it's funny to say what he's saying that's humility yeah yeah and it's funny to say

that I'll be gone yeah you know it's funny to say that I'll allow but for my almost my whole

career I didn't care you know I didn't you can't hurt I had that attitude like you can't hurt me I

don't care I'll take one to give one let's just go let's figure this out and it's just the fact

I like I said it's funny to say I allow but it's truly how I felt in my heart and you know to

take a step back from that and to say you know it's okay to move around a little bit not just go

straightforward and do things like that use my skills that I've always had I'm honing them they're

getting better but to actually use my skills as opposed to just being a brute main growth you know

growth periods in your boxing journey specifically would you say you know obviously it's more fun to

learn from wins than losses because you can learn from your wins would you say you've learned more

from your losses absolutely absolutely because like I just said that that was probably like an ego

death when you get to a certain point and that if you face don't work you know you get to a certain

point and you're like I couldn't just brute my way through this you know why was that so I felt

like I was stronger I felt like I was tougher but I didn't win so it doesn't matter you know so

get into a point where you're like okay hold on a minute I'm looking at this the wrong way you

know I'm looking at this the wrong way you know if the goal is to win and the goal is to be better and

the goal is to be the best and the goal is to achieve more than I'm gonna have to set my ego aside

and do this a different way so we talked about mentorship you know even in boxing it's an

individual sport nobody steps out into the box you know really other than yourself you know in

people in your corner but they step out as just you yeah it's still a team sport more than people

think yeah right so you talked about mentorship guidance you know one man came into your life I think

you said 31 33 years old you know started to help you who would who would you say or you know what

person or thing comes to mind when when you hear mentorship who stepped into your life and gave

you some mentorship what would be the biggest thing maybe you've learned from that person yeah it

was a guy who just he seemed where I was his name was brother Dan and uh spiritual mentor like a

spiritual father to me he would always tell me and I didn't know what he was saying at the time he

would say these words he would like Jared it's bigger than this and what he was talking about was the

boxing gym and he would say he would just grind me with it you know I'm saying to be like it's bigger

than this and I'm just like on go building this boxing gym you know and I'm building and I'm building

he's like it's bigger than this what he meant was you know the kingdom of God right it's about it's

about getting people saved and bringing them to Jesus don't focus so much on the boxing focus on

the people and that was huge man that changed my heart around and listen to your podcast bro spending

time with you you've been a huge influence in my life those are the two things that stick out to

me appreciate you bro you demand how about how about you Hutch I think the biggest mentorship for me

has been the entire team that I've surrounded myself with um even if we want to just talk about

the boxing team that I kind of have assembled and allowed to put together and Jared's on that team as

well um but you know with Chris Williams and Ryan Flora and now Sal's on the team and you know Shane's

on the team and you know everybody's a good dude yeah it's everybody is a positive influence there's

no detractors yeah everybody on the team is there to help everybody on you know huge it's huge

it's absolutely huge I hey I got a fight coming up with this kind of style hey boom boom we're

gonna go like this I'm gonna stand like this for you I'm gonna you know everybody is selfless

everybody just wants to help there's no ego nobody's fighting over their camera time nobody's

fighting over their their their rounds like yeah everybody's in there to get better and everybody's

in there to be better you know on the we we me and Jared talked about it on the uh the last training

can't lead up to the last fight we got a member of our team saved you know like that wow who was

that talk about purpose you know I'll let him let him make that declaration himself but you know

realistically that's how in my mind that's how it's supposed to happen right good influence lead

by example good positive team that's genuinely there for one another and then you got someone

making a decision like that I mean so cool yeah I don't like it think we're you know like you were

talking about earlier you know when we were talking about greatness right so like you know who's

to say this person is in great just because maybe they ain't great at that thing that sport you know

Namin or whatever it is you know I think we're all called we all could be used in whatever lane

that we're in to spread the word right and the impact you're gonna be able to impact certain people

that maybe Jared would be able to touch your impact maybe some people would be more influenced by

Jared than they would me you know Namin and so everybody has their own lane that they could go into

and impact somebody's life that otherwise wouldn't have connected with anybody else around them other

than you you know Namin and that's that's the impact that you guys are making on people in a unique

way that nobody else was going to touch those those people maybe other than you yeah for sure

imagine walking into a church for the first time in Jared's up there right like that ain't why

how you draw it what I expect that's not how you draw it up right that's not the traditional right old

white man with the nice robe on you know that's not how this goes right yeah but that's a different

old I gotta get you a road I got to pick it up on what he's saying we gotta get him a road

yeah like but the the reality of the situation is is that you're spot on because Jared's going to

touch people he's gonna find people people are gonna relate to him because they're gonna look at

Jared and they're gonna say that was me but he did it yeah right he changed right he brought it

back around right and he looks like me and he talks like me and he's from where I'm from no there's

gone through the things that I've gone through yeah that's a different it's a different feel it's a

new vibe it's a it's a new way to connect it's a new real way to connect with these people yeah

obviously you talk about endurance you know perseverance grit getting through things you know you've

been around for over 10 years with with premiere what what's the vision that you have you know for

that 10 years from today yeah no what do you what do you want what do you see so I mean in my time

a prayer man the Lord really spoke to me 10 10 in 10 years to have

I have seven facilities up and down the eastern seaboard.

So I made my first move down to Fairmont.

You know, God opens the door.

I go in that direction based off what he told me.

So to have seven of them, just Fairmont,

where?

Fairmont, what's Virginia?

So I'm working on that.

So that's your second one?

That will be number two.

Okay.

So it's not, I'm doing a partnership down there

with somebody, but it's gonna be a premiere.

And I mean, you know what, bro, it really don't,

I don't even care of premieres names on it.

Yeah.

And I'm building it.

You know what I'm saying?

So that it makes an impact on people.

Yep.

So that's the vision.

10 years, over 100,000 people impacted,

at least over 100,000 people.

Love it.

Seven facilities.

Love it.

Pittsburgh, the Southwest, Florida.

Love it.

You know, you hear both of you guys want to use your platform,

you know, boxing, your skills, your relationships,

the impact, right?

That's what you're talking about.

You know, right now what you guys want to do at High Mark is,

you know, it's like, yeah, we want to put on the shovel.

We want to make an impact, you know, on other people

at the same time.

What do you see, Hutch, you know, for your way

to make that impact or, you know, Pittsburgh boxing

in general, what impact, you know, what do you guys

trying to do, you know, five years out, 10 years out,

what's the vision?

So the biggest thing for me and I, me and Jardin

talked about this at length, specifically

to map out what this really looks like.

And it's been my mission and it's been my vision

over and over and over again to lead by example,

and not to just say it, not to just preach it, right?

In my perfect world, you come to a turf wars event

and you say, wow, I had a great time.

You happen to realize that you didn't have any of the profanity,

you happen to realize that you didn't have any of the

vulgar things that you may expect from other combat sports

series or events.

You start to think, man, these guys,

they look like they're having a good time,

they're being successful to do.

And this guy's fighting for this championship,

this guy's up and coming prospect, what are they doing?

What's the secret?

What's behind the curtain?

And you realize it's God.

Hey.

Right?

I want to show you first and lead by example,

and then you figure out what that secret sauce is.

Right?

In my opinion, and it's not necessarily anything wrong with it,

my biggest problem with some people's strategies

as it relates to religion is that it's not effective.

So we're always trying to do what's most effective

and efficient.

And in my opinion, it's not effective to just beat people

over the head when they come into the door with a Bible, right?

Like I don't want to be too over the top

from that perspective because it wouldn't relate to me.

So I would be lying to the people,

I would be lying to you if I allowed that kind of thing

at the event, right?

That's not what we're here for.

We're here to lead by example, show you that it can be positive,

it can be good.

Oh, and by the way.

You got questions?

You want them up further?

100%.

We'll help you out.

We'll let you know.

Being too forceful with that stuff isn't effective.

Right?

We're here.

We're always available.

Our hands are always outreased.

But I'm not going to grab you.

You know what I mean?

And I want to make that distinction with people.

We are open.

I'm open.

I'm going to lay hands on you.

And I ain't talking about boxing.

Jesus.

Amen.

That's right.

Amen.

I think, Jared, we talked about that.

You guys brought it up to shirts.

I remember seeing you in the shirts, you know, the Save Not Soft shirts.

You know, I think that was a transition for me.

You know, growing up is like, man, I thought all the people that were like going to church

were just soft.

You know what I mean?

I don't want any part of it.

You know?

So just understanding that you could still do that, you could still walk with God.

It doesn't mean that you necessarily have to be soft.

And the more you dig in, the more you realize Jesus was a dog.

Yeah, he was a straight, right?

It was a dog.

I'm a pastor of his days.

Everybody ate them.

Right?

No doubt.

And so I've seen a lot of that, you know, your ability to teach that, walk that, you

know, portray that.

And I think that's, again, things that will be able to impact people.

Yeah.

When, when Hush talks about, yeah, they see you and they, you know, they probably not

what they thought was going to be passed during the church.

You know, but you're going to be able to relate and catch a whole, you know, they say,

become fishermen of men.

Yeah.

You're going to catch a whole different, different group of people.

And so what's the, what's the goal, you know, in speaking and catching a group of people?

What's the goal for turf wars, too?

Right?

This is two.

Yeah.

Yeah.

turf wars, too, at high marks stadium.

What's the goal for how many, how many people do we want there?

Yeah.

So in my spirit, I said it from the beginning was 4,000.

So we're looking for 4,000 people to be out there.

And it's doable.

You know, what's the date?

July 12th is a July 12th.

July 12th.

High marks stadium.

Okay.

So in my background, there's, there hasn't been boxing in a stadium with like, there's never

been an event, a boxing event like this in Pittsburgh period ever that's purpose driven

that has quality entertainment and it's in a stadium with the Pittsburgh skyline in

the background.

What do you mean quality entertainment?

Quality like live entertainment like quality entertainment where you bring your family,

your friends that ain't a bunch of cussing the ring girls.

You know, I prefer that they're all mission they wear.

They're all stuff like that.

They ain't going to have on no bikinis.

You know, that's what I mean.

Quality entertainment, clean entertainment, clean fun.

People could come and they could drink and have a good time and it ain't got to be a, you

know, the energy is just going to be different.

It's going to be a different type of energy.

Yep.

What time, what time to start?

7 p.m.

How many amateur fights?

None.

All pro fights.

Yeah, all six pro fights.

All six.

Starts at 7 p.m.

I had to look at Husk, because he always got something up his sleeve.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We'll let that come out.

Yeah, we got a surprise coming from him.

So we got for sure six, six pro fights.

Yeah.

Starting at 7 o'clock, doors open at what time?

Six.

Doors open at 6 o'clock.

And this is outdoors.

Yeah, outdoors.

Okay.

All right, so we're going to be fantastic weather.

We ain't even talking about anything on that.

There is no plan because of playing A.

Yep.

I love it.

Yeah.

I love it.

Okay.

And so how could other people get involved and show support in what you guys got going

on right now?

I will first say, you know, we'll share with this.

I want to share all the marketing reminders.

People need reminders.

We'll put some good marketing together.

Appreciate it.

They could just share the date, share the weatherability for people to go get tickets.

I'm going to see you guys still in the market.

Is it too late to get sponsorships?

No, you can get on my side, the mission side.

We're going to have a mission impact section where the people who get the sponsorships

for the mission impact section, a portion of those proceeds are going to go back to the

two charities that we chose.

Okay.

Still city impact, four one two ministries.

So we have a ton of tape.

We've got a ton of room left for that.

So what does four one two ministries do?

So they are a sports ministry and they're up front about Jesus.

Like they know that they're teaching servant leadership and it's mostly baseball but they

have by partner with them on a Bible study in my program.

They're making doing major work.

They're growing.

They have professional pirates players like faith, faith driven leaders.

There were professional sports players coming in.

They bounce around.

Yeah, Beaver County.

Okay.

Beaver County and Albany County.

Love it.

And so we know still city impact.

It's a youth program after school youth program.

And some are some are program right in Stowe Rocks.

Today they went to the mat factory.

Yeah.

And they're bouncing around summer program every week.

We take them somewhere else and try to just hit a different experience.

So good.

And so good.

And so good.

And so good.

And last week, horseback riding we did before just taking them to see and do things

that they wouldn't always do.

Yeah.

They golfed.

Yeah.

So just stuff like that.

So we appreciate this year we're going to throw in a piece where our high school kids

we're going to start partnering with different jobs and career readiness places because the

kids want to make money.

Yeah.

And they got to have an outlet to try to make right way.

The right way.

Right.

So we're going to partner them with different companies and businesses that will start to give

them an outlet in a way to make money and to get some experience and stuff like that

in Pittsburgh.

So anybody listen if you're looking to pick up some good hires.

You know, we're going to have some some some kids that need jobs that we can impact.

Yeah.

This year coming up.

But we saw appreciate you man.

I know.

You know, I didn't grow up here in Pittsburgh, but Pittsburgh, you know, my mom was telling

me the other day.

She's like, man, you know, you're almost at the point where you've lived more, you've

lived more of your life in Pittsburgh than you have in Youngstown.

Yeah.

And that was my whole thing of starting still city impact, you know, years ago was like,

man, I felt when I left Youngstown and I came to Pittsburgh and had a little bit of success,

I felt bad.

You know, I had that guilt because nobody around me came from anything like that.

And I just like, you know, kind of disappeared.

And I had to disappear because I had to disengage because not all of the things in my environment

were positive.

And so I'm like, man, I got to come home and do something.

You know, I got to give back to where I came from.

And then I started to feel the same guilt for Pittsburgh when I was putting so much time

in the Youngstown.

You know, I'm like, man, you doing all this stuff over here.

But all these people, oh, this is where you made it.

This where you made your business.

This is where everybody, this where you really got made.

You know, this is over here.

And so you got to do something in Pittsburgh.

And so, you know, I've been here about 17 years now.

And so it's become a home to me, second home to me, you know, a lot of the relationships

I got with people that have impacted my life.

My kids are born here, met my wife here.

And so, you know, I could just tell you, you know, I'm just grateful for both of you guys

for what you're doing here in the city.

You know, we can't do it all.

You know, everybody got to do their own part.

But I just, you know, would tell you, thank you, you know, for what both of you guys are

doing in the lanes that you're in right now to make a positive difference, you know,

in people in the city, man.

So proud of you guys.

And I support, you know, support both of you guys in any avenue, anything that I could do

to help you guys because you're helping so many different people.

So those people out there that want to follow you guys, what would be the best place to follow

or get in touch with you, Jared, and same thing with you, with you, Hutch.

Yeah, the best, the best place is probably social media.

You can just go to Instagram, Facebook, Jared Boyer, Jared, like the jewelry store, not

the subway guy.

Okay, spell it for him.

J-A-R-Y-D.

Okay.

B-O-Y-E-R.

All right.

And so, you're right now, a lot of the work you're doing is in Swickley.

Is that right?

Yeah, so the facilities in Swickley.

Okay.

And I don't got a ring up.

I got my eye on a facility that I'm trying to get in my box, like just my straight

boxing program in there.

Yep.

But right now I got a nice facility where we got a softball field, we got a basketball

court.

I got a nice little bag set up, going where I could train some people, but we're

growing.

I got too many people coming for that little spot.

So we're about to, we're busting at this seams there.

We got to get a bigger spot.

Beautiful.

But we're still doing the work every day.

And so, Hutch, you know, I was just learning more about Blackbelt Development.

You were telling me a little bit about Blackbelt Development.

You probably would do a better job explaining it than I would.

I'd do our eight though.

I was thinking I was a little bit.

You were putting down.

Absolutely.

But, you know, maybe tell us a little bit about it.

Case, there's anybody out there that's looking for some help.

No, I appreciate it.

The Blackbelt Development has been around for three years now.

And we mainly focus in commercial construction.

We will do some residential projects if they're cool or for somebody we know.

But we live in the commercial space.

We're everywhere from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania down to Southwest Florida.

All up and down the east coast.

We have projects right now in Southwest Florida in Naples in Bonita Springs in Fort

Myers Beach.

We got a ton of projects currently in downtown Pittsburgh.

And so, we are rapidly growing.

I'm very excited about it.

We are also getting into the solar space as well.

We have a sister company built solar.

We're really doing a big push for commercial solar here in the Pittsburgh area.

Allegheny County, Butler County, Washington County.

We got major projects going in each one of those.

And we're doing a lot of collaboration with small businesses.

So if you're a small business owner out there and you own your own building, you definitely

need to reach out.

We can talk.

We can really set you up with a nice program to help you in your growth.

We have a license tax preparer, a full time on staff grant writer.

We have a lot of things that we're doing right now to help our client tell them.

So the grant writer would help you with transitioning into helping your business with solar?

Yeah, 100 percent will be the main goal.

So there's a ton of benefits right now in renewable energy as it relates to small business

owners specifically.

So there's a ton of great grants.

There's a lot of grants.

People can get a whole lot that they would never know is even out there.

That's a 50 percent of your project.

So if you're looking at a $200,000 solar investment on your commercial building and you have

50 percent off, it's $100,000 that you're saving on that project.

Now remember that's also 100 percent tax right off as well.

On the other 100,000.

On the other 100,000.

So a ton of amazing programs that we're doing to benefit people to get into renewable energy

and to make sure that they're kind of putting their green thumbprint on the Pittsburgh

area.

And you say the development, it's like plazas, office buildings, hotels, apartment buildings,

apartments, apartment building condos.

A ton of these warehouse spaces that have flat roofs are absolutely prime candidates.

So it's phenomenal.

And a lot of people don't understand that they think of Florida or California for solar.

But really it's the UV rays that are captured, not the actual sunlight.

Right.

It's a gray sky.

I've learned that.

I mean, the worst cultivator.

You ain't going to run out.

No, no, no.

That's fine.

Right, right.

I asked that question to my before.

We don't get a lot of suns.

Yeah, like now you're all right.

Yeah, it's true though.

It's true that people don't realize that.

And the snow is beneficial because it actually cools the panels down.

It's not to be concerned about.

You know what I mean?

So we're doing a lot of great things.

The worst enemy of solar is shade.

Right.

So you go into South Carolina and some of these other places we're going.

We got to cut down trees to make sure that, you know, that's the shading isn't an issue.

But especially here in Pittsburgh with some of these big buildings and the way that they're

set back with the tree line, there's no.

issues at all. Okay. And so, uh, Hutch is going to be the main event, right? You're going to be the main event July 12. So people can come out, they can bring their families.

100% right. We're going to make sure it's family friendly. Everybody can come out, bring as many people as possible to come support the city of Pittsburgh. Come get behind two guys are doing major things impacting a lot of people in a positive way.

And Hutch, what would be a way that they could get a whole of you if somebody wanted to follow you and your journey. So on on Instagram, it's official Bill Hutchinson on Facebook. It's just Bill Hutchinson, H-U-T-C-H-I-N-S-O-N.

And anybody that's interested, you can check out blackbeltdevelops.com, HutchLawOffices.com. And you can see all the different things that we got going on right now.

Now, turf wars, PGH, the Instagram, turf wars, PGH. If you want to follow the show, if you want to follow the series and see all the cool stuff that we got going on.

We're going to be a turf wars, PGH, we got one week from today. So let's get on it. Hopefully we're looking forward to seeing as many of you out here in Pittsburgh. It's been a couple. It's possible. We're believing in 4,000. So we can make a difference, making an impact. It'll be a great time, great night out for everybody. High Mark Stadium July 12th.

Tell your family, tell your friends, get a Uber, if you don't got a ride, get a jet knee for crying out loud for somebody to get you a ride there. I'll come and get you. Get there.

Come on. I believe you too. For real. Jared and Perm that comes scooping up.

Yeah, yeah, being Perm, it'll be the best ride of your life. Thanks for joining us on another episode of Grindcast. Get ready as a new day.