Pro Boxer, Bill “Hutch” Hutchinson

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Money, man.

Stacked riches.

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What's up, gang?

Welcome back to another episode of The Grindcast.

Get ready.

It's a new day and we got a special guest special episode here for you today.

We got Bill, the real deal, Hutch, as they call them, Hutchinson Pro Boxer, 23 and 4

record.

This upcoming, actually tomorrow, we're going to have your next fight coming up tomorrow.

And we're excited.

I know a lot of people in Pittsburgh are excited.

So tell us, first let's, I think some of a lot of folks here in Pittsburgh know you.

We got viewers and listeners all over the country.

So tell us, first let's start out with your upbringing.

Tell us a little bit about how you came up as a youngster.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Born and raised in Pittsburgh, right in the West End.

And so coming up, it was a lot of that blue collar lunch pale attitude in Pittsburgh,

as everybody knows it as.

People respect the tough guys.

People enjoy that gritty, grinding kind of personality.

So it was always kind of natural for me as a competitor to want to be able to do that,

to compete whether that be in judo or boxing.

I started when I was younger in judo.

My parents were trying to give me to burn up some energy.

And that was kind of the safer option they felt like, maybe.

But as well as I do, I can get pretty gritty as well.

But I really enjoyed that.

My sister actually was really good at judo.

She won the States.

She was no joke.

She was better than me at judo actually.

All right.

So it was older younger sister.

Younger sister.

Younger sister.

Okay.

Shout out to Ashley.

She could throw down a little bit.

You hit toss her hug.

She's so nervous on you, too.

Yeah, poor guy.

But, yeah, that's a fact.

And at a certain point, I told my father, I want to do this for real.

I want to throw hands.

I really want to get into this.

And I'm proud of Pittsburgh.

Did you grow up?

So originally I was in Sheridan, West End of Pittsburgh.

And at a certain point we moved and I ended up graduating from Montau High School.

Okay, Montau.

Yeah, I got you.

But the judo gym was in Sheridan.

This was like a church basement, as basic as it could be.

Kind of something for the kids to do that was probably a little better than whatever

else they would do.

What age?

So I would say it's foggy.

I would say about six to like 12.

So good portion of time.

And I really enjoyed that a lot, but I told my dad, I said, listen, I want to do this

for real.

And he was like, okay, well let's watch one.

When did you transition into?

13.

judo in the box.

13.

Okay, 13.

Maybe because my first fight was at 13.

So I remember that for sure.

And right across from that church where the judo gym was Langley High School, which is

the area's high school.

And across the street from that was the pow boxing gym that I started at.

Okay.

And so we went to our first Golden Gloves match, right?

And my dad is like convinced that I'm seeing bloody noses and all this stuff.

And he's like, I did my job, right?

I'm at the turn.

I'm going to run a modder.

Yeah, he ain't what he wants.

You know what I mean?

And I'm like, this is exactly what I was talking about.

You know what I mean?

And I could just see on his face, he's like, man, this totally backfired.

You know what I mean?

But I loved it.

And I've been hooked ever since.

I've been around every major boxing gym in the city, all the pow gyms from East Liberty

to Sheridan to the third Avenue gym downtown.

I've been in them all.

And I just kind of navigated around as they would pop up.

And I think that came from that, you know, like I want to do this.

I really just think of it.

Somebody in your family did somebody in your family do it.

What made you?

You know, I hear.

Or is it just something guy I put in you?

I think it's just something that's been in me, man, honestly.

I can't look to somebody in my family and just say that that was the one.

My mom is a feisty one, for sure.

My dad's a little more laid back.

You know, he's calculated cool.

You know, doesn't get too worked up.

You'll probably never see him mad.

You know what I mean?

My mom will come get you.

Okay, I said, he's feisty.

So what percent of that do we get to see in you?

Is this 80-20?

Yeah.

Mom.

I think that it's 50-50.

I think that I kind of take the bus to both worlds, right?

Because I can, I have all those emotions.

You know, I have all those feelings.

I have all that, right?

But I've learned to channel that, be calculated about that, and control that in the right environment

and keep that to where it's positive, right?

And that's taken a long time.

That's powerful.

Yeah.

You know, I had a friend of mine recently was telling me that they're also an attorney

by trade, and that's something we didn't even get into with the folks.

Not too often do you see somebody that's a professional boxer in an attorney?

Yeah.

Super cool.

Super interesting.

You know what I mean?

I appreciate it.

Well, I was with some friends.

I mean, recently this week, and we were talking and they said they were laughing about somebody

got, somebody went to the bar or something happened where the guy got fined or some type of penalty.

If something got brought up, that the guy was in the courtroom and he was so competitive

with the other attorney that when they walked by, he elbowed him.

Oh, wow.

So we got to make sure we keep you under control.

Yeah, we can't have you throwing hands in the, get an attorney for the attorney.

Well, and but to that end, right?

I mean, we could also, we could also break that down a little bit and say that he could

or should have been a little more aware of his situation because a lot of guys like

me, I might take that as a chink in the armor.

Right.

We've got to show up.

Yes.

I got to show up.

No doubt.

That you're over there elbow me and you're off your game.

If you're thinking about elbow me, you're not thinking about the case and that's what we're

here for.

Right.

I'm here to win.

Hey man.

You know what I mean?

And then we can sell.

We can talk after the fact.

But you know, in that moment, you need to be aware.

You know, I tell people all the time, I love when I'm fighting someone that's seeing

red or real mad or, you know, aggressive towards me.

I'm going to pick you apart, brother, because if you're not thinking, I am.

And there's 10 different ways I'm going to take you out now.

So that's fine with me.

What sacrifices would you say that you've had to make, you know, that maybe people wouldn't

understand on to come up, you know, especially people that don't understand or know boxing, you

see what you think you know and use some of the glamour that comes with it.

But there's a lot more to it.

What would you say are some of the sacrifices that you've had to make coming up?

I can tell you the sacrifices are immense.

I mean, not only from a financial standpoint, a lot of people don't understand how much

sacrifice financially fighting takes.

Okay.

You know, especially in boxing at the lower levels, you're not making nothing.

I mean, nothing.

Sometimes you're paying to fight.

Yep.

Right.

So and it's all about that dream.

It's all about it's it's it's rags to riches.

You know, you're making nothing, making nothing.

Then you get a big payday or whatever that looks like for your career.

But at that time, you're probably working full time.

You're probably training after and before work.

You're you know, you're you have no social life if you're doing it the right way.

You don't have time.

There's not enough hours in the day.

So you know, and what does that look like for your family life?

Are you paying attention to your significant other?

Are you paying attention to your children?

You know, what what's that look like for your daily schedule?

There's no there's no easy way to go about that.

That's for sure.

Right.

But I know for me personally, it was it was a lot of sacrifice from the social aspect.

It was a lot of sacrifice from kind of cutting off certain friend groups.

Not not necessarily cutting them off.

That's the wrong term.

But you know, loving them from a distance for a little bit.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

And just kind of like, Hey, you know, that that's not the most conducive environment

for me at the moment.

And I've got similar experiences.

Why don't we talk a little bit about that?

And I think that's a nugget for people to pick up on.

Yeah.

So, you know, the reality of the situation is that a lot of us have friends or people that

are surrounding us, family members, whatever that looks like that are, you know, maybe not

doing the right things.

We'll say it that way.

You know, maybe that maybe that be alcohol, maybe that be drugs, maybe that be just not

doing what they need to do to support a positive lifestyle.

And when you're around that environment, when you're in that environment, even if you're

not even partaking, it has, it brings you down by, by default.

And you're not putting yourself in the positive environments.

You're not putting yourself in the right places to further your, your own career in your,

in your own trajectory.

And you know, everyone always likes to say, you know, if you're around five alcohol

or two or six, and they're, whether, whether it's actually true for you or not, what you're

not is, you're not in the room that you need to be in.

You're not in the room with the five killers that are helping to train.

You're not in the room with the five good business entrepreneurs that are going to help

you have the connections in the network to further your own career.

So by default, even if you're, even if someone bats their chest and says, oh, no, I hung out

with my friends, but I didn't drink.

Okay, fair.

But you also weren't in the right room either.

Yeah.

I know.

There's a lot, there's a lot to be said for that.

So how do you pull out of that scenario when, you know, you have a heart like you have in

the character that you have in the pride and, you know, that blue collar up bring in, you

know, how do you handle disassociating or pulling away in some aspects, not forgetting, but needing

to just move in a different direction to further yourself.

How do you go about that?

Well, to your exact point, it's that sacrifice.

That's not easy.

That hurts.

You know, you don't want to, to not be around certain people that you care about.

You don't want, you know, no one just wakes up one day and says, I want to cut off my friend.

You know, this is something that was an unfortunate necessity for your progression as a person.

And, you know, it's, it's one of the side effects and it's one of the sacrifices that has

to be made one way or the other.

You know, you started, I think you had your pro debut 2011.

We're now in 2025.

14 years.

14 years.

Crazy.

You've been a pro longer than, when you were 13, right, then you started boxing.

You know, that's 13 years of life.

That whole, a whole another life, you know, so to speak.

What have you, you know, how has your approach changed at all, you know, from 2011 to 2025?

I've become so much more seasoned and so much wiser with my approach about training, first and foremost.

I think that I'm the kind of guy.

I mean, you know me a little bit.

I'm, I'm all in.

I work hard.

I don't think anybody has ever questioned my work ethic.

But what good is working super, super hard banging your head against the wall.

Okay, the door is right there.

I could use a lot less energy, just by opening that door.

So sometimes if you have all of that work ethic and you have all of that grind, that's great.

But you channel that in the wrong direction or maybe not a direction that's efficient

as it could be.

And you're not being, you're not making a stride that you could.

So my evolution as a fighter, my evolution as a person has been being smarter, being more

efficient, understanding my body, understanding the game, understanding some examples of that.

Yeah, absolutely.

Be more efficient, not banging, taking the door.

Yeah.

So, you know, an easy one would be sparring, right?

I would spar everyone and anyone.

I notoriously 13, 14, 15 at that gym.

I told you about across from Langley High School.

There was a small, it sounds terrible.

There was a small chicken and watermelon shop.

I swear to God, I came and make that up.

And they would sell alcohol right there.

And guys would sit on the front stoop, drink alcohol and hang out.

They would peek in and watch a spar.

So at a certain point, my coach would go out, Lee Spells, you know, who's now deceased

would go out and grab some of these drummen, lick her up and come in and spar a little 13,

14 year old me.

I did it all the time.

And so think about the blows that I took there unnecessarily.

Think about the time.

Now, it also made me who I was and it emboldened me in a lot of different ways.

But I'm not doing that anymore.

You know what I mean?

Those blows to the head, the taxing nature with which that puts on your body, you know,

I can't do that at 36, right?

So I'm very strategic in the rounds that I take.

I'm very strategic in the blows that I take to the head.

If I get rocked a little bit, I might take a week off from getting hit.

You know what I mean?

I'm still training.

But I'm not taking it.

I'm saving it for the ring.

You know what I mean?

I'm known as someone who is tough and has a chin and I don't want that to go away.

So we're saving that for the ring.

If I'm going to get some CTE, I'm going to get paid for it.

That's hard to do, too.

That's the discipline part.

Because you want to do this.

You walk into gym and you say, I want to come harder.

Right.

Okay.

It's hard to say no.

Yes.

That's the fighter in you.

Of course, strap them up.

But you have to have then you have to have the team around you to say, hey, let me,

let me be the ego shield on that one.

Right.

That's where your coaching comes into perspective and you say, no, I want it.

No, no, no, no.

Take today off.

You know what I mean?

And so that's very important.

I have a great team around me.

So what, you know, fight tomorrow, what is the prep leading up to something like that?

Look like both physical and mental, you know, for people out there that don't really

understand.

So tonight is the way.

Right.

So that's first and foremost.

You've got to make the way and luckily we're fighting at 47, which is not a problem for

me.

I'm really 135 pound fighter, 140 pound fighter.

So 47 is an easy cut.

I'm hanging out, you know, in a mean so.

And I did that strategically for this fight.

I flat out made it known.

I'm not really cutting weight for this fight.

So we had enough to worry about.

So, you know, that's first and foremost.

After the weigh in and all of the things are set, the contracts are all handled and

everything's all done paperwork with the commissions.

Then it's time to just lock in right it's time to just lock in visualization

Understanding with the job that needs to be done going through the game plan going through all of the all of the different steps of

Of the way in which we're gonna break this guy down

He's a very tough and rugged veteran. I'm expecting a real like blood and guts kind of entertaining fight for the fans

Which is great, but my goal is to get him out of there

So how do I get him out of there? I think I think I'm more skillful than this guy

I think that a decision is inevitable just because I'm a lot better than him

But I want to get him out of there

I want to get him out of there an impressive fashion and I think that'll be a real stamp on this event if I can do that

Where you where's this guy from he's from Monterey Mexico. His name is South Caralle

He's a 32 and 21. Okay. He's got 55

Tough is that he's been in there with like 10 world champions Victor Ortiz, Jose Sito Lopez

The list goes on that it was he's definitely a top caliper opponent to bring me back to a big stage and

Set me up for a lot of big fights that I have planned for the rest of the year

Okay, so you got more oh yeah, this isn't just one time thing you got more plans and and all that stuff

Leading up, you know, you mentioned visualization

Talk a little bit about the visualization

Aspect of what would you visualize? I think it's very important to

Visualize the sequences within the fight a lot of times for me personally anyway

I like to visualize different scenarios in which maybe

Are compromising to me right?

How would I work my way through this scenario? I don't like this position. What would I do?

What's my what's my first thing that I want to say no matter what?

This is what I'm going to do so for instance this guy

He's an inside fighter and you know if I find myself in a precarious situation or an angle that I don't necessarily love

How can I change that situation to stay safe number one and number two come back with offensive attack that that makes a lot of sense for that

Situation okay, and then what are and I think that's something that can apply to life for sure

For sure, you know probably as an attorney leading into courtroom visualizing a hundred percent a lot of that stuff can apply

How about the physical you know prep leading up how long of a camp?

What does that look like cardio wise nutrition wise training wise?

So I think the the standard camp is like eight weeks so two months

Some people go a little longer 12 weeks

shorter than that you you probably have just been staying in shape and you're just honing in for a last minute opportunity

This particular fight we were we've been training for a while

I've been the idea of coming back to Pittsburgh and putting on big events has been on my mind for quite a while

So I've been in the gym. I've been training, but we did throw this together rather quickly

We ended up getting the deal done for the event about four weeks ago

So this was very much put together with an expedited effort

So I'm very proud of my team for that because we're going to put on a very professional and a

very spectacular event and I think that the time frame with which we had is all the more impressive

Moving forward we won't have that obligation

We'll be able to have adequate time to prepare. I think we're gonna have four months or a little more for the next event

So we'll be able to do it right

But you know, I think it's a testament to my team and to everybody around that has been able to put on a event of this caliper

within four weeks. Yeah, when you say your team

What would that comprise of?

Absolutely. So first and foremost my head trainer Chris Williams who you know well

God, yeah, these guys great guy. Don't you have the same don't your wives have the same name. Yeah, yeah

All right, Caitlin with I think hers is with a K and minds with a C but you know same same same name

But we've got Chris Williams. We've got Ryan Flora. We've got Jared Boyer

um

Great crew great crew great crew got to know Ryan a little bit this year's son's been wrestling. Yeah with with my son

I see him all over the place obviously I spent a lot of time with what Chris Jared is a great dude great guy

Love the Jared's on the squad. That's my dude. You know how I met Jared? No, all right one day. We'll ask him

I don't want to make this or after I'll do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta ask Jared how me and him met literally divine intervention

Dude, that dude's a great dude and and going back to him, you know, I've known him for

Almost 20 years. I was about 18 when I met him and we were in a different era of our lives. Yep. Okay. Yeah

Uh, you know, you know, I know he got a background

You could take you could take that any which way you want it was a different era of our life

And uh, we we've always been cool. We've always stayed close and I'm really proud of the things that he's doing right now

as a man and he's been a great influence and addition to my team and and what we got going on and

He's got his own little wrinkle of how he trains and I like that

It's it it reminds me a lot of some of the ways in which I used to train using a lot of

Movement and using a lot of flow and rhythm and and so it's just a good little

addition, you know to kind of to flare it up and he's just good people

So the positive energy that he brings is is another good addition to team

But he's also helping on the promotional aspect of things

For turf wars and he's been doing a great job. He's been doing a really great job. Love it

And you and Chris been together. I think what over a decade or so gotta be gotta be win together a long time

And the great thing about Chris was, you know, they say the best coaches

Don't implement their game plan. They build their game plan around the talent that they have

Well, that's

Difficult to do with me because I'm a little different

I don't fit in any of the exact boxes that you'd probably like to see for combat sports

But I think that you know my skill set and my strengths are

Undeniable in certain areas

So Chris has done a great job of allowing me to be myself while cleaning it up

You know, I mean allowing me to have and utilize my strengths

But you know stay within a box of fundamentals and and you know, it's worked out well

Love it. Love it. Shout out to Chris Williams out there speaking of support systems and a team

I think probably to star player of a team for somebody in your situation

Would be your spouse absolutely and the person that you choose, you know with the lifestyle that you've chosen

You know

An attorney and going to school to be an attorney all that brings its own sense of busyness and yeah

And not a lot of time left over, you know like like you mentioned now you throw on to it

Boxing and everything that comes with professional boxing and the sacrifices, you know that are made as a father

You know as a husband having that support system

How important would you say is it for somebody to have the right

spouse trying to do something like this?

It's it's unbelievably important. I think it's it's actually critical because you know

I can speak from my own personal experience

Having the confidence that the home is taking care of you know having the confidence that my son is taking care of and

Giving me the freedom and the ability with which to go and get it right to be able to go and and chase all of these crazy ideas

Whether it be in business or fighting you know, she has been solid in that area and that that's invaluable because without that

You know you've probably seen it yeah people that don't have that yeah exactly and we had some of those

You know

Issues early on too, and you know, we're we're new parents right so trying to navigate that who's who's gonna watch the baby

Who's gonna help who's gonna do this and so having good friends and family around and given her a little bit of freedom to

To be herself as well as good for her mental clarity and kind of bouncing back from all of that postpartum

And and everything else that's real for a lot of these women sure and so I think that that's been great for us

So that you know she can be she can be my teammate, you know, I mean

So someone that's looking you know, let's say there's somebody that's young you know listening and they want a career and in boxing and

Maybe also at the same time to pursue you know a degree you know like you busy busy life

How would you suggest to them to you know, I think at the same time you have to cut off friends

um

And make sacrifices. I think you also

Probably if if you're with the wrong person that doesn't support yeah, you're dream

You need to be able to cut up that cut off that person if the dream is that

Serious, you know, not if you're already married with kids, but prior to that happening

You know, I think that I've watched a lot of young people

I've watched their careers be

Made or broken

By the the spouse or the person that they that they choose you know to me when I'm

People asked for my

Humble opinion in that regards. I tell them hey number one decision. I think that you could ever make is uh

You know as an imperfect person, you know, just just having a relationship with God

I think the second biggest decision that you'll ever make is is gonna be the person that you choose to spend the rest of your life with or to have

You know have children with what advice would you give your 36?

You know, what advice would you give to somebody that's you know 21 24 you know in that area of their life

It's really important to understand a few things

I think that the the easy answer is to understand each other's goals and understand

You know where you see yourself later in life and what's important to you, you know

Is it is it family is it is it career success?

Is it a combination of the both whatever that looks like but I think the the next

Harder piece of that is are you willing to grow together because you know

I'm not the same person that I was

15 years ago when I met my wife right and neither is she right she's just natural

You know humans right so

It's important to understand and have a willingness to grow together because it's very easy to grow apart

So you know having those conversations and and and really meaning that you know we're in this together

We are a team and you know when things aren't necessarily easy or you know

I spring something crazy on you like hey, I'm moving to California for a year to go chase this idea

You know has that happened? Yeah, literally

I was you referenced it myself like you know like I had I had literally gone on a whim

With her we had just built our our new place about six years ago in Pittsburgh

And you know we were all excited about it

And I had an opportunity to get a full scholarship out in Cal I'd never even been to California before on vacation or otherwise

And I got an opportunity to go out there to law school. I did my first year law school out in San Francisco, California

And I literally went on a whim. I got a flight the next day

Went out got an apartment came back got everything situated and was like hey, I'll see in about 10-11 months

So you know having a partner that is supportive about that type of support right? I'm gonna go to the other coast

I'm gonna go to others as far as west as I could pretty much get here

And we're gonna we're gonna do long distance for 10 months. Yeah, this is this is

This is better for us. I'm not doing this selfishly. I'm not doing this for me

You know, this is something that is in our vision and in my vision for us

You know and and so having somebody that you in that period of your life

How often did you see each other in person? I flew her out as much as I could but I was a college student at time

I every every dollar that I had went to living, you know

My

Scholastics were paid for by the scholarship, but I had to live in San Francisco, California

I was in a 300 square foot studio apartment. My rent was $3,000 plus utilities. Wow

So, you know, everything was more expensive out there. Yeah

So everything that I had and to focus on school

I had I pulled everything I had and and I lived off of that once a quarter

Once a month

I would say once a quarter. Yeah, once a quarter. Yeah, there's a sacrifice. Yeah, and a testimony

To someone that's supporting and in the growing together and you know all that stuff some stuff that people wouldn't see

You know, I had somebody that was

had a lot of success and

both professionally and personally with their family and so I asked the question of like you know

The support system and choosing the right person and all that and he said you know sometimes when I get that question

I tell people you know if they're not

You know if their vision is to go one direction and the person that they're that they're dating

You know kind of isn't on the same page or hounding them about it

He said I don't know what which one it is, but either you got the wrong

Vision you got the wrong job

Or you got the wrong potential wife

Yeah, and you got to figure out which one it is, you know

Do you do you have the right person and you're saying well, maybe I can't pursue this dream

Or is it man? I know I got this dream. I just don't have the right

Person that's going to support me on that dream because it's it's never it's never going to happen

So shout out to you guys man for making it through all those phases

phases of life. It's not easy

Like you know, I think that that's a piece of what you're saying there that you know

Don't think that you know any part of that was comfortable for anybody, right? You know

I mean, but it's that decision to say no we're in this together

What you know, I know for me you know you mentioned and you know in the beginning

About not banging you head on the wall

Where you where there's a door there you could take the door, right? So for me, I think a lot of

My life that I've been able to take the door is is so many people that I've had the opportunity to be

Mentored by that I've reached out to that have given sacrifice their time, you know for me

What would you say are some things that you've learned from some of your coaches and mentors?

Who would some of your mentors? You know and coaches being what would you say that you've learned from those

So I think that for me there's been a lot of different

Mentors in different sections of my life, right? And then in different ways so a lot of people think

As of a mentor as somebody that's helping you and your maybe business or financial career

But I've also had a lot of good mentors in my you know spiritual life

I've had a lot of good mentors in my in my life as just trying to be a better human being

And so I think that that's a lot of important to kind of talk about as well

Yes, you don't have to be a good mentor. You don't have to have a boatload of money

That's not that it's not a prerequisite to being a good mentor. Yeah

So for me

I know

You know one of my one of my best friends Sam Noley was the best man in my wedding

He's a great example to me of someone who's just a great guy guy of his word, you know

You can count on him no matter what I could call him right now. He'd answer. What do you need what do you know?

just phenomenal person, great father, great husband,

always has been.

So to me, that's always been someone I'm like, okay,

I like the fact that that's my guy,

because I emulate, I would like to emulate him

as a man, as a person, right?

I'm constantly trying to surround myself now with guys

that think in the same way that I do spiritually as well.

I think that that's been a new kind of key

to my success, if you will,

is keeping around that positivity and guys

that are saved and believing in God.

And I think that that's been important.

Obviously, the addition of Jared to the team

has been a great kind of influx of that.

We actually got one of our guys,

Shane Chinacchi saved during this camp,

which is just like awesome.

Awesome, come on.

And it's just like, that's just amazing to me.

That's cool to me.

That's real mentorship.

That's something that you can kind of wrap your arms around.

And all of that to say that that then becomes conducive

to the financial success, right?

Because now you're doing it the right way

with the right people who are selfless,

who are just here to help,

and then the money will come.

You know what I mean?

Trying to chase the money,

and sometimes that's easy to do in the wrong way,

and then the tallow.

Right, amen.

You gotta become the person,

person's chasing the money.

You just build yourself up

and all those things wind up coming.

I think what's critical that you said,

that's huge is having mentors in different areas

and aspects of your life.

You know, you could have a mentor

that can help you in your marriage

that has more experience in that avenue.

You know, then you have business mentors.

Then you have boxing mentors.

You have spiritual mentors.

I can help you spiritually.

And I think sometimes the mistake that people could make

is not having mentors in different compartments

because I've had business mentors

that are great people, great business mentors,

but I wouldn't necessarily want them

as my mentor for advice and marriage.

You know what I'm saying?

And then I've had people that can give me great advice

and I think great mentorship and marriage and in life,

but necessarily probably wouldn't be my go-to

for financial advice or business advice.

And I think sometimes people will have a one size fits all

approach to that where they have,

they're putting a mentor in a situation

that maybe they should be in boxing terms,

your boxing coach, but not necessarily your wrestling coach.

You know, you can't use the same person for all aspects,

if they're not equipped for that.

So I think that's huge for people to take a grab from that.

And what you're saying there is a very powerful thing

because if you think about it too,

you're not going to be identical to any one of those people.

Your situation may be different.

Maybe your business mentor doesn't have kids.

Or maybe your business mentor isn't married.

Well, that's a conflict of interest

for you personally and your development

because for that segment of your life, he can't relate.

Right.

You know, in a main oral or maybe you have different morals

as it relates to that.

Either way, the reality is that you have to segregate that

in a clean way to make sure that you're being

the best version of you.

And I completely agree with that.

You know, when you were starting to pose that question,

I was kind of cringing a little bit

because the first couple mentors that instantly came to my head

were all business mentors.

And I wanted to make sure I got that out

because, you know, unfortunately,

I've had to kind of step away

from some of those business mentors in a lot of ways

because I didn't necessarily respect

how they were getting things done.

And that's something that's been kind of heavy on me

in my evolution as a Christian is that, you know,

I went through a lot of a difficult phase

in which I was tested.

As I started walking closer in my faith,

I think I got a little bit passive.

I got a little bit, you know, I wasn't as aggressive.

I lost that edge, you know what I mean?

I felt like I wasn't myself, you know,

everything that I've ever had, I've had to fight for.

I've had to scratch and claw and fight my way

to have any little bit of success that I've ever had.

And I think that as I got closer in my faith,

I got a little too lax, I stepped off the gas a little bit.

I was a little too okay if this is the right way

to do it and okay, I trust you a little too much.

And it didn't serve me as well, you know.

And so I think that as I started to kind of lean

on some of my Christian mentors

and really understand that, no, if I'm doing this

in an ethical and legal and good way,

I can, I'm still aggressive.

I can still be aggressive, you know.

And that's been my evolution personally of like,

no, no, no, I need to get back to me.

I can still be a good person and still be aggressive.

Yes, you know, and that's been huge.

Jared got those shirts saved, not soft.

It's so true though, right.

It's so true, you know, I'm saved, but that's not a...

Let's talk about that.

So you mentioned your journey and I could just see it in you.

Spiritually how much you've progressed there.

Somebody out there that's, you know,

maybe on their journey of not knowing, you know,

where they're at, but they know they feel the same thing

that maybe you felt...

How did your journey go?

You know, how did that come about, you know,

for you spiritually, you know, where you at now,

where were you at and how did that happen?

So what kind of occurred was, you know,

the old adage, you know, you work hard in a pays off.

That's what everybody wants to hear, you know.

Work hard, you know, the harder you work,

it's gonna pay off and everybody, you know,

put your nose to the grindstone, never quit.

You know, all that sounds good.

What do you do when you work really hard for years?

You sacrifice everything.

100 hour weeks or nothing to you,

and you're just working, you're working, you're working for years.

And right about when you're about to get that payoff,

it gets stolen from you.

What do you do?

Right?

Do you quit?

Do you give up?

You go, because at that point you can even tell yourself,

you know, I didn't quit, it just didn't kind of work out.

That path wasn't there.

And, you know, for me, during that time,

I was very much, you know, becoming stronger in my faith,

you know, me and my wife, you know,

we're really starting to hone in on that

and it was really important part of our life during that time.

And then to kind of have that carrot taken away at the end there

was crazy to me.

It was crazy to me.

So what carrot?

So I can't get exactly into like the deep details of it,

but it was essentially, you know,

a major deal that would have been very important for my business life.

Correct.

And so it's one of those things where, you know,

it's not supposed to go down like that.

That's not in the script, right?

It's not in the script.

You work hard, you get it.

You work hard, you get it.

That's how things are supposed to go,

especially for a good, godly, Christian man, right?

This is, I'm doing things right.

I'm doing, you know, and then so when you get to that point,

you have to really think and, and, and, you know,

kind of take back some of the traits that allowed you

to get to that spot in the first place.

So for me, it was more of like, okay,

I got a little bit too laxed in this scenario.

I got a little bit too trusting and, you know,

that's not a necessity for being a good person.

That's not a necessity for being a good Christian.

I don't have to be blinded by everybody's a good person

and I don't have to be blinded by, you know,

not keeping my eye on the ball as it relates

to the potential downfalls or pitfalls

of certain things in business.

And, and that was a very powerful moment for me

in my personal walk because it was, it was definitely

an awakening.

And so how did you move forward versus backwards?

Cause a lot of times when things, you're walking

in the right path, something happens

that you don't want to happen.

You say, well, what's the point?

You know, I might, why would God let that happen to me?

Yeah.

You know, this is, I don't know if I regress

in this area versus progress, you know, in this area.

What made you progress in that area?

And then also, how did you even start that journey

as it is?

You know, did you grow up with that type of faith

and heart for the Lord?

Did it, did something happen?

Did a person lead you in that direction?

How did that first, this,

Well, in that moment, to your exact point,

in that moment, you question everything, right?

You start doubting everything, you know, maybe I,

maybe I regress, maybe I, you know,

you start thinking vengeful thoughts, you start thinking,

okay, well, maybe I, maybe I don't do things

the right way.

Maybe I go at this, maybe this was all for not

and I go back to a different period of my life

and handle things a little bit differently.

And, you know, essentially, what boiled down to was,

I wasn't willing to do that.

I wasn't willing to compromise my values as a person

that I have grown into and that I have now.

I wasn't willing to compromise my relationship with my wife.

I wasn't willing to compromise, you know,

my wife was pregnant at the time.

So I knew that my son was on the way

and I wanted to really say, okay, here's an opportunity.

As opposed to an opportunity for me to quit

and kind of go back into some of those old negative kind of thoughts.

Here's an opportunity for me to stand on my own two feet

and show people and show my family

what it is to do the right thing.

If nothing else, this can be a testimony one day

to how we got through this situation

and to stay walking on the path,

to stay, you know, living my life the right way

and to make sure that we went about this,

through the proper channels and we did.

And luckily, everything has worked out tenfold

and I'm very proud of that.

But at no point was that easy.

Right.

So, you know, when you were coming up,

you mentioned it, you know, 13 years old, you know,

your dad took you to a Golden Glove,

you've seen little blood and you said,

that's exactly what I think.

You know, I want, was there that point for you spiritually?

Like, at what point did you say, man, that's what I want?

Or this is that, was there a transition period for you?

I think that, I don't think that there was a certain date,

but I do think that as my evolution as a person was occurring,

as I was, you know, kind of moving my way through life

and my relationship and my marriage

and, you know, now with my son and everything like that,

I think it really came back to me

just kind of looking within and saying,

what kind of man do I want to be?

And most importantly, what kind of man do I want my son to see in me?

What kind of man do I want my wife to see in me?

And, you know, that has made things a little bit easier for me,

because now I can compartmentalize, right?

I can say no.

As easy as it is and as tempting as it is to kind of veer,

take a little detour, that's non-negotiable now, right?

I have a position.

I have a standard now that I want to uphold for my son,

for my wife, and for myself.

I think I see, you know, what I admire and respect in you is,

you know, I've seen a lot of people, you know,

on the journey have a tough time balancing their ego

and spirituality, or their,

maybe they're pride in their image versus their spirituality,

because at times, to walk on a spiritual journey,

you can look to the outside as soft, right?

Yeah.

Especially depending on what you're up bringing, you know,

was like, like I know for me, my transition,

you know, and as a young person growing up,

you know, where I grew up is like,

if anybody says or does anything, you know,

wrong and disrespects you, it's, you have to fight.

When lose or draw, you have to attack.

Or if somebody does something to you that's hurtful to you

or then you retaliate, you know,

it's always a retaliation, you know, back to that,

and that's what's uplifted versus maybe taking a different road.

You know, the high road is seen as the weak road,

you know, versus the tough road.

And I never really understood why people would say,

you know, it takes a bigger man to walk away in certain scenarios.

I used to think that was a cop out for people

that didn't have the inner strength to do it.

And the older that I get, the more that I realize,

you know, just much like the sacrifice you're talking about

with different situations and friends,

is it takes even more discipline to recover

not as much as it does to go spar.

It takes even more discipline, more of a man

that got that in them to say,

now I'm going to take the high road versus retaliate

of certain scenarios.

Do you understand what I'm saying there?

How would you help somebody on their journey in that way?

Two-year point.

Yeah, I think that your story about your upbringing in mind

are much more similar than maybe we had even realized,

because I know that when I made that transition

and that switch from schools, I struggled bad.

I was actually wasn't communicating

and I was just fighting everybody.

And I had one teacher doing that time

that forced me to go home with a journal every night

and I had to write down all the things

that I felt that day and why I was getting in all these fights

and why I was doing all this,

because to your point, I didn't understand.

You know, when I switched over to Montour,

and these kids are in each other's faces,

they're pushing each other, there's no fight.

I'm like, I'm confused.

That's not how this goes.

Like, you guys hurry up and fight to the death over a dispute

and that's just kind of how it works.

Like, that's just where what I knew, that's what it was.

So I struggled greatly with that

and they kind of slowly broke me into that kind of understanding

of kind of calm and down a little bit,

using my words a little bit more as opposed to just swinging on

everybody that I had a small disagreement with.

So I'm very familiar with that.

But as it relates to kind of this next evolution of my life

and your life, I think it's interesting

to your point that it takes the bigger man to walk away sometimes.

But I also think that you have to think about what's the win?

What's the win in this situation?

Okay, you got a lot to lose, brother.

If you're out there and you know, you get into a physical altercation,

it's not just you anymore.

They're coming after the things that protect your family.

They're coming after your home.

They're coming after all these things.

As anybody with any sort of success at all,

they're coming after all these things.

you sacrifice all of that by punching someone in the face on the street.

Like think about the lead.

Feel good for a minute.

Yeah, and they got nothing to lose.

That's the ticket.

That's not fair.

Right.

It's not fair.

You have all this great stuff.

You have a great life.

You have a great family and all.

And they've got nothing to lose.

And so that has helped me a little bit to be able to just say,

I feel bad that unfortunately maybe you feel like you don't have anything to lose

in the situation, but I do.

And if the situation was a little different, if circumstances were a little different,

I could show you that a little more sternly.

Right.

I have to walk a little bit.

Yeah.

So I've been switching gears a little bit.

I had somebody say, for the rest of your life, it's going to be life is going to be,

how do you handle success?

Because some people can handle success well.

I agree with that.

And how do you handle failure?

That's for the rest of our life, we're going to have to figure out, how do we handle success?

And how do we handle failure?

Because life is that roller coaster ride.

It's not always a straight line on the way up.

So with 20 pro wins, how would you talk about, and we're not perfect?

You probably didn't always do it perfectly, but 36, if you're giving advice to somebody

out there, how do you handle the wins?

How do you handle the wins in the ring?

How do you handle the wins of life?

And then how do you handle the losses?

Because you got a couple of losses in there.

How do you handle the losses?

How do you learn from the losses?

How do you handle the wins?

I think the biggest thing, as it relates to that, is understanding that this isn't forever.

Right.

So if you've won right now, you have to be humble enough to understand that this isn't

always going to be the case.

But also in turn, is the same attitude that you have to have when you have a loss as

well.

This is not forever.

This is not binding on me.

This doesn't define me.

And I think that your resilience and your tolerance for that stress, for that pain, is

what makes you good at fighting, makes you good at business, whatever, whatever that

is, is kind of understanding that, man, this is crazy.

This is weighing on me.

This is stressful.

This is painful, but it's not forever.

If I just keep, if I just keep in the fight, if I just don't quit, if I just keep pressing

forward, if I just keep stepping forward, I can turn this around.

I can turn this around.

And so you have to remember that as well when you're winning, because I've had some decent

successes in my life as it relates to fighting or as it relates to business or otherwise.

But at the same time, you have to have that humbleness and understand that this also isn't

forever.

This can go away.

This isn't guaranteed.

It's not like I hit the lottery or something, and this isn't going anywhere.

We've got to keep this going.

We've got to make sure that tomorrow, we come with that same energy to make sure that

we can win again, because today's win's great, but guess what?

Tomorrow is a clean slate.

So we've got to do it again.

Right.

Tested greatness and hallmark of excellence, we say as consistency.

And so if you're on a journey of wanting to be great and you get a victory, how long

do you think is appropriate?

Because you should celebrate, right?

There's a lot of work that goes into it.

What do you think is appropriate time frame for a celebration?

I struggle with that because for me, and maybe this is a little bit of my ego popping

out, but I genuinely expect to win.

I genuinely mean that.

And so when I win a fight or I do anything, even I have a successful win, I think I have

a successful scenario in business where I get a nice win for a client.

It's really hard for me to celebrate because that was expected for me.

The loss would be, oh my God, this is crazy.

Something happened.

I need to reassess what the situation is.

I need to understand how this happened.

I genuinely, genuinely expect to win in these scenarios.

So unfortunately for me, maybe, I don't have a celebratory.

There's no long window of celebration.

We're not winning a business situation and we're just losing focus for the next month.

No.

I genuinely mean that.

It's one of those things for me where I have such high expectations for myself.

I know what I'm capable of that it's really hard for me to celebrate.

Especially right now.

Maybe that's huge one day.

Maybe one day I'll tell you something different, but at least at this stage in my life.

The difference between good and great.

I've tried to help people like this in business, young people.

Some of them, I've seen that have the talent and they'll go out there and do something great

for a month.

And then the next month, they're spending all their money that they made for that month

and they're kind of getting lazy.

And then they'll come back for a month or two and it seems like the ones that go from

that level and build the momentum to greatness, they never quite are in that celebration mode

for a quarter because they had a good quarter.

So I think those are good tips.

Being that you're also an attorney by trade, two super professional accomplishments as

being a professional boxer, they're saying three fights.

I mean, this is 20 some fights.

And then also an attorney, what would you say that you've learned from boxing that transfers

over into your business?

So I think a lot of it, yeah, I think that we continue to touch on the same things because

it's so translatable.

It is literally a physical fight and an intellectual fight.

And I think that that's maybe why I kind of navigated so easily to that career and to

that kind of channel, if you will, into my life.

But that is a fight.

Yeah.

Yeah, it is a fight.

And so it's one of the things it's preparation, it's understanding, it's game planning, it's

being in my biggest thing too as a business attorney is I like to be preventative in these

issues, right?

So it's extra onus on the game plan, right?

I want to come into your organization and I want to put policies and procedures in place

so we don't have a problem.

Defense.

Yeah.

And if we do have a problem, then we are so quickly able to mitigate that because we have

all of these things in place already, right?

So it's instead of being pro, instead of being like, you know, coming out an issue after

the fact, we're being proactive, you know what I mean?

And that's really something that I can attest to as a business attorney that I take a lot

from in the fight world is we do everything to prepare and be proactive for the fight.

We ought to do the same thing in business as well.

Being proactive, you know, looking at your life, what do you think, what does it look

like for you the next vision?

You know, what's next for you five years, ten years out?

What do you say?

Ten years from now, I'm working from Wi-Fi from wherever I want to be.

It's almost there now.

If I have my cell phone and I have my laptop, I can be anywhere.

You know, I'm licensed to practice in Pennsylvania and Florida.

I have a lot of business ventures in Pennsylvania and Florida.

I'm constantly back and forth.

And the ability to do that with modern technology is great.

But my biggest goal is that I want to be at all my son's practices.

I want to be at all the games.

I want to be wherever it is physically that I want to be in a few years, I want to be

and I don't want to have to be anywhere.

And if I need to work during that time, I want to be able to do it from my phone or from

my laptop.

That's my goal.

Love it.

What do you think creates that opportunity?

Is it front loading all the work that you've done to create that opportunity?

If you can, but that's tough, right?

Because tastes change, budgets change.

You know, you start.

That's just the reality.

The situation, lifestyle change.

And so, you know, at least for someone like me who has a hard time kind of celebrating

always once more, always needs more.

I think that would be difficult for me to kind of front load too much of that.

Obviously, that's the smart thing to do.

That's what you should do.

But if I front load enough of that and I create the right teams and the infrastructure in

these businesses, then I can kind of take my foot off the gas personally a little more

and do a little more managing and kind of just put out fires as needed as opposed to being

involved in the day-to-day operations.

So that's the next phase of this.

It's not only kind of knocking the ball out of the park, but ensuring that the right teams

and policies and procedures are in place so that that continues to happen as I remove

myself from the game.

Speaking of removing yourself from the game, you know, I think what I've witnessed over

the last five years, you know, and I know it goes back further than that 10 years and

where it'll be five and 10 years from today.

It seems like there's been a evolution a little bit in MMA and boxing and Pittsburgh, you

know, where there's just platforms that are being built by the last generation to kind

of uplift the next one and give it a little bit bigger of a boost on the map, you know,

so to speak.

And I know you're a part of that.

You know, so how would you speak to, you know, what legacy do you want to have in that

respect and then also legacy that you're looking for.

You mentioned a lot of this, you know, like what do you want to have as your legacy, what

your family, but what legacy do you see?

What have you seen in the Pittsburgh MMA and boxing scene over the years?

I think that the talent in this area is real.

I think that for better or for worse, for whatever reason, we have a lot of tough guys coming

through here, whether it be through the phenomenal wrestling programs in Western PA, whether

it be from some of these lower income areas that have these police athletic gyms and

some of these boxers coming out of there or just, you know, have what's a rich talent

pool.

How do we influx as much opportunity into these systems to create a positive lane for these

youngsters to go through, right?

And so for me personally, I would like to use my last few years of fighting years with

an S to kind of implement some of these platforms and to make sure that there is a clear vision

in a lane for some of these young dreamers to turn that into a reality.

And so I'm proud to do that.

I'm happy to do that.

And I think that it's very realistic.

In fact, our most recent platform, I have a long-term agreement and partnership with

High Mark Stadium.

So, you know, we're going to have three.

They want four, at least three, four events a year that we will have guaranteed moving

forward outdoor venues at High Mark Stadium in the south side, indoor at the Montor

Sportsplex in Coriopolis.

So we've got some of the biggest and best venues in the city available to these events.

So now the onus is just on us to make sure that we put these events on at a high level

to the standard of the sponsors and the people that are involved with High Mark.

And that was kind of part of the deal to get in the door is a guarantee for me that

you're going to have world-class events and that we're not going to put together anything

that would be considered substandard, that we're going to live up to the expectations.

And what Pittsburgh deserves?

They deserve big events.

They deserve big platforms.

And that goes for both boxing and MMA.

The talent pool, like you mentioned, it just makes sense.

And I was having a conversation recently, there's not too many places that have had NFL

players have as much success as PA and specifically even Western PA.

I mean, they could go top three, you know, areas, states, you know, out there with Hall of

Famers, you know, and that demographic.

Then you look at wrestling.

I believe Pennsylvania is the number one state in the country, you know, for wrestling.

And so it just seems like it just makes sense that the talent pool, you know, would be there.

Now your fight tomorrow is going to be held where?

At the Montour Sportsplex, that's in Coriopolis.

And that's where the River Hounds, the professional soccer team practices.

So it's a very nice facility.

It's only a few years old.

It's a beautiful place.

It's actually sponsored by Allegheny Health Network, which is owned by High Mark.

So, you know, all of the, all of the eyes will be there.

All of the right people will be there.

So I think that some of these younger guys, you know, on the undercard, we got Jerome Baxter,

Young, undefeated up and coming guy, Danny Bodish, another young undefeated up and coming

guy.

We've got Shane Chinacchi, so professional wrestler coming out there, trying his hand as a professional

boxer.

And you know, yeah, that's just got entertainment written all over it.

No doubt.

So that it's exciting.

We're going to put on a great show for the fans.

And you know, we're going to have a great production.

We've got multiple live performances.

We got the University of Pittsburgh Drumline coming out there to make some noise.

Wait.

And it's going to be crazy, man.

What time, what time are you getting started?

It starts at seven, doors open at six.

Okay.

And that'll run till what?

What do you think?

11 o'clock?

Yeah.

10, 13, 11 o'clock.

Okay.

I'll probably go on probably around 9, 30, 10 and we'll have some fun for sure.

Beautiful.

Now, somebody that you mentioned your business attorney, how would somebody follow your

journey if somebody wanted to get in touch with you or somebody wanted to, you know, follow

you?

What outlets do you have for somebody?

Absolutely.

So online, my website is the Hutch Law Offices.com, www.Hutch Law Offices.com, H-U-T-C-H-H,

okay?

Law Offices.com.

And my Instagram official Bill Hutchinson.

And from there, you can navigate everything.

You can sign up for consultations or check out.

everything that I'm posted on Instagram as well.

And from that website, from the Hutch Law Offices website,

you can navigate and go around and see all of the different options.

You can put in there what it is that you need and how we can help.

And we look forward to hearing from you.

Love it. Love it.

Well, let's all be thinking of and rootin' in.

Hutch tomorrow. Hutch I'm proud of you, man.

And congratulations on all your success.

Both in and out of the ring as a dad, as a husband, as a business person.

And once again, another victory tomorrow, as a fighter, man.

So thanks for coming out and joining us, man.

You're always welcome here.

We're all proud of you, man.

And appreciate you coming out.

So thanks for joining us on another episode of the Grindcast.

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