Special Guest – Jess Briganti

Count money man, money back riches.

I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm on the beast.

But what's up gang?

Welcome back to another episode of the grind cast.

Get ready.

It's a new day.

And I got my friend in the house, Jess Perganti.

So ladies, listen up.

This one's full of fire and full of power over here.

And so why don't we start out talking about how you and I met, how we got our relationship

formed and then I, and then we'll go from there.

Oh my gosh.

I mean, this is so exciting.

I've gotten to spend some time with you this morning on such a real level to see what

Areas agencies is all about.

But I know you for years and years now because of great WFMJ, you know, that media outlet

that allows what I do is a voice on air to bring in people with their stories and have

that platform to share.

Yeah.

And the people that listen and they don't know what WFMJ is for those you that don't know.

That is the news station in Youngstown, Ohio, which is where I first came in contact with

Jess through inspiring my youngstown.

And immediately, you know, when I met you, there's, there's just some people that I'm

sure you guys can think about, you know, out there listening.

There's just some people out there that you bump into and you could just feel their spirit.

You know, you could almost just blindfold yourself and you'll just feel the person's spirit

and that's the vibe that I got from you.

And so anytime that I would bump into you at the Canfield Fair or anything, it was like

always this, this, we're hustling, we're busy, but this, this connection, you know,

that we had, that energy.

And so you were, you were on the news in Youngstown and tell us a little bit about your, your

upbringing.

You know, how you were raised, where you were raised, we were talking a little bit about

your mom and the, the beast that, that she is and how much she's done to help elevate

you and open up doors for you.

Why don't you tell us a little bit about your upbringing?

Because when you look at somebody like you, you know, if I'm sitting back and I'm

listening to how well spoken you are and I'm watching you on the news, you know, somebody

would think, you know, she probably just had it really easy, you know, probably just

had everything handed to her and, you know, a really good education paid for and two

rich parents and, you know, to judge is not really what it is.

So why don't you tell us a little bit about your background?

Well, and everybody has a story, Simon, and that is so important to sometimes peel back

those, those cover and to see what's underneath there because there are layers to people.

So born and raised, young son Ohio, I am such a proud, valedict native and to even

go off of that more to say that when you see me on the cover, I grew up in a pretty affluent

area, Poland, Ohio.

So for those that don't know, Poland has quite a bit of the, you know, known for stigma.

Of course, that's sad as simple because there are a lot of very well to do people that

live there.

I grew up in an apartment born and raised in an apartment that I came from a mom that

raised me.

I have an amazing dad.

I had an amazing step mom, but my mom definitely put in that time day and day out that she

raised me with all that she has.

And single mom.

Yeah, through and through.

I was, they were married for two years.

I was, when I was one, they got divorced and my mom grinded it out.

What do you think you grabbed from, you know, because I could speak on my end?

I know my mom was the same.

Single mom worked two, three jobs, you know, grinded it out.

We talked a little bit about that, you know, was on welfare for a while, sold our house

for $11,000, moved and moved to camel my freshman year, bought a house for $30,000.

And so I watched that whole grind and struggle.

And just like you, I didn't really understand it at the time, but I understand it now.

And I pull from that.

And there's a lot of lessons that I've gotten from that.

What things would you say that you've gotten, you know, from your mom that is instilled

into you today that helps you become who you are?

Perseverance.

I think you can't give up.

Even if you don't see options that are viable, or it seems like there's no way you can

make that monthly rent that day.

You don't think that it's going to be at the end of the month that you can make it all

work.

If you persevere and you have faith and you don't give up, you will.

Sometimes you have to, you know, dig really hard and there will be moments where you're

like, I don't think I can, but you can.

You have to persevere.

My mom showed me that how many times.

I think she wishes she didn't show me sometimes, although she was going through, but I tell her

that that's not her fault.

And she had to, because that's just life.

And I am better for it because you appreciate so much when you get older and that when you

work hard, you will earn hard.

And there's no failure.

You got that work ethic.

You know, a lot of times people don't see and I got an inside look because my little

cousin was working at the news station.

So I would have never imagined the amount of work that goes into that, you know, unless

you're on the inside, you know, unless I, unless you know somebody or you're on the inside,

like I watched her, you know, she was up at three o'clock in the morning and starting

it like four o'clock somewhere and, you know, it was, it was crazy.

Sometimes when you see people, you know, it looks easy, you know, on the news, it's

layout.

She probably just throws on some makeup and comes in there and says a couple words and

caches a check and gets out of there.

Why don't you tell us a little bit about that grind, you know, what, what, what that,

what comes with that, the work ethic that you've had, you know, bring to the table.

So a little known fact about me, that's kind of interesting, I think, is I was a junior

in college thinking that I had this game ready.

I was ready for TV.

I wanted to be on there and I was almost done.

I get a call that, hey, there's a weekend weather position in Youngstown.

And I'm like, I'm from Youngstown for my TV advisor.

I'm at Kent State University.

So I'm about 45 minutes away.

And they're like, hey, this is a weekend gig.

They're looking for somebody who can be part time.

And I think you could do it.

I'm like, what?

I'm like, Youngstown's where I grew up.

So I make this fake demo reel at a green screen.

And I'm like, this is me.

See if you want me.

And so as 21, I got hired for the weekend weather position.

And I just started grinding.

That's when I learned, okay, I want to put in the time.

So I started studying hardcore about what was going to be on air.

How do we make this work?

I just like people.

And obviously you can already tell within what a few minutes I like to talk.

So that, that comes naturally.

By 21, I had already had a year in my belt of working the weekends

filling in for a lot of the meteorologists during the week that needed time

awful. I was like, I'm game.

I mean, that's just the first start.

Yeah.

A lot of, a lot of kids coming out of college, that would have been already

not, don't want to do that.

I don't want to work weekends.

Yes.

I don't want to work on the weekend.

So that's the first thing that stands out.

As you took, I'm going to start working weekends.

When I had to finish my degree, so that was also a really hard thing to manage.

The professional world and still academically having to nail that down.

And it took me an extra year to graduate because I wanted to jumpstart professionally.

So in hindsight, it may not have been ideal because it cost me more, but it also gave

me that platform to see that what I was doing in school on a firsthand level being on those

weekends.

It gave me everything.

Now I also learned quickly, I am so loud and out there that the evenings were not for

me.

Okay.

So I'm a morning person.

Like the evenings they were like, now is this chick coming at me.

You know, when you came in today, what was I doing?

You were rocking that time management.

You were getting a haircut and working that time in there.

You had to.

I was getting a haircut.

And I had to tell the barber, you know, that was in there.

I said, you got to excuse me.

No.

I'm a morning person.

So I, you know, it was kind of like just chilling and I'm like, yo, man, what's up?

How you guys doing?

I said, you know, for me, this is like afternoon.

Seriously?

So I don't think I would have been made for the evening evening show.

No, a lot of the clock at night.

You're trying to turn down.

You're trying to see what happened the day.

You want to hear what the weather is tomorrow.

You do not want me coming at you with excitement.

You're like, man, this is too much at 11 o'clock at night.

So I found my purpose was mornings by the chance of an opening.

Timing is everything in news for folks at home.

They don't create positions for you.

So you may be the God's greatest gift in TV.

But if there's not an opening, it's not going to be yours.

So timing is everything.

I was grinding down on weekends for a year and then when the morning position came about,

I'm like, I'm in.

I, can I tell you, I fought hard for that because I didn't have the experience with TV.

When people get hired, they need so many years put in.

Again, it's very textbook like, hey, if you don't have three years in, we're not looking

at you.

If you don't have this degree, we're not looking at you.

And I'm like, I'm going to break those barriers because I'm going to prove to you if you

see me and you hear me, I want to show you that I can do it.

So I worked hard for that morning, morning, Monday through Friday position.

And once I got it, I was able to be there for nearly seven years.

And it means it's getting up at two in the morning.

And it's no one.

You get up at one.

You have to accommodate the forecast.

Like I didn't come in.

So if it's snowing, you got to get up at one.

Yeah, because I got to prepare my graphics.

You're just calling off.

You got to keep going.

Yeah, I don't get snow days.

The teachers that wanted snow days, I was like, okay, that snow day means an extra two,

three hours of work for me.

But I thrive on work I do.

And that might sound stupid, but I love to go.

I want to keep going.

And so to better prepare myself for TV, I have to be prepared with the data I'm looking

at.

Amen.

And so that's a long day.

But you just, you grind it out.

You look at the forecast.

People start their day.

That's a service that I've come to love.

Because people are like, the best compliment is that my forecast was accurate.

That I helped them smile and that they thoroughly enjoyed listening to me.

Those are gifts that you can't create.

So when people tell me that, that's the best compliment is that what?

I helped you start your day by knowing what to wear.

And it sounds so simple, but TV gave me that, that, that, that, that, then you and that,

that vessel to give them, yeah, what they need.

Yeah.

Now, neat.

Now we're going to give you the platform to give you what you need because why don't we open

up and and we can cut this too.

So you know, I know you know, but you're like a black belt at all.

You know, so.

Predating is a beautiful thing.

No, no, yeah.

I, why don't we transition on, on talking about being still and open-minded and in, in

transitional period, you know, that, that you're in right now as much as you want to,

elaborate and, and talk on.

But I appreciate it.

You know, I told you, I'm, I'm just, uh, at a spot in life where I'm just so comfortable

being me and being authentic, you know, right now that I'm, I'm good with anything.

And isn't that peace?

Uh, that's peace that you can't buy.

Yeah.

And that's peace.

So I'm basically, you know, we started entertaining, uh, talking to each other and, and

possibly her transitioning out of, uh, news into what other things can she do, possibly

with us, possibly somewhere else.

You're a jack of all traits, Simon and so because we've known each other and I've been able

to just know your spirit, know who you are, know your work ethic and you know mine.

Um, that, so I was at WFMJ in Youngstown, Ohio, working, falling, loving life.

Um, and I get a phone call.

I didn't even solicit this.

I actually was approached and I was in the middle of a contract from Albany, New York.

And they're like, Hey, we need you.

And I'm like, hi, who are you and where are you?

Um, and it's this great guy who says that, Hey, I need you to come to Albany, New York.

I'm like, okay, so how close is that to New York City?

I geographically was so ignorant of upstate New York.

I had no understanding of where everything was.

And so I look it up on a map as he's talking to me, of course, so you can multitask.

So I'm zooming in.

I'm like, that's all right.

There's some mountains.

That's pretty awesome.

So long story short, he goes to give me an offer and I'm like, you know what?

I worked two jobs back home because secretly I also worked at the, uh, I worked at the

race track, actually.

And I did camera work.

Wow.

I was behind the scenes.

I just did some, some camera work for them because you got to be set out.

You got to make that money.

So, um, I'm like, I've, I've got myself pretty set.

Like I've got my bills paid for.

I'm doing okay.

You don't make money in this TV business people.

You see us put a lot of pain on our face and we talk.

Well, we, you got to, you got to have some multiple jobs to make it work.

Um, and I was making my bills that were met.

And he goes, no, I think you need to take the sleep of faith.

He's like, I want to wait for you.

I said, well, let me talk to my boss because timing really isn't on my end working.

I'm going to wait for you if you're saying there's something there long story short.

I do it.

I go.

Um, and for two years I've been there and it was like, okay, I didn't.

So, you know what?

It was that leap of faith that I took an Albany and I would have been there.

But you know what?

The cost of living in New York is no joke.

It's not New York City.

Oh, no.

Okay.

But the taxes and the apartment and, and I don't have anybody there.

Yep.

That was, that's where I'm at now that I was like, you know what?

I can't make it work anymore.

And they didn't, again, TV doesn't pay.

You don't break them off.

So you, so you reached out to me.

Yeah.

Simon, you've got the pulse of the community with you.

If someone's looking to grow, someone's looking to pause and just look to see what else

is out there, um, that's important.

So anybody who listened to this, that maybe you're in a place that it works, but you're not

ready to just settle.

And I don't like that word because by settle, I mean, you're not ready to just keep going

when it's not enough.

And I think that that's so important to somebody to know that I was on TV for eight and a half

years.

I busted my butt through two internships.

I ate ramen noodles forever.

I mean, I put myself through school.

So I thought that since I did all that sacrifice thing, I have to just keep doing what I've been

doing on TV and you just keep on going to different news stations that want to pick you

up.

You just keep on showing, hey, I'm worth it.

Pay me minimal money that doesn't make ends meet, but I'll just keep on living my

dream.

Well, passions change, dreams change.

And I think for anybody listening, that's important to be okay with.

And so before I was to sign another contract that I wasn't okay with because the money wouldn't

be enough, that yes, I could have had another, I could stay there.

And I could be happy, but I wouldn't be fulfilled financially that I'm 30.

I'm getting old, okay?

So I don't want to ask.

I was wondering.

No, so I'm 30.

I'm at that, that's the restaurant where I'm at.

You know what?

You got that Asian blood and you know, I don't see.

You look like you're 20.

But I'm a half.

So if my mom's still better than mine, I'm telling you, this is still, these pores are big.

So the thing is, and with that lifestyle at TV, you don't get to work out enough.

Okay, so I'm going to work that gym that you got around the corner, but the thing is

before I just signed just because it worked, I'm scared as heck that I'm leaving without

anything on the other side for sure.

But that's the thing when you have options, even if it's McDonald's, even if it's Starbucks,

there is no step backwards if you're allowing yourself to hit pause before you just go to

go.

I didn't want to just sign because it made sense.

What really didn't, because financially that's not going to be enough to grow.

And that's what life's about is growing.

And there are different chapters.

And you don't know how long your chapter's going to be somewhere.

But I was like, you know what Simon, I want to talk to you.

I give you a lot of credit for that.

I think people can just get caught up in comfort, comfort and routine.

And everything would be good if you don't have to change.

If nothing changes, nothing changes.

And typically those, when you have something that's been going for you so long, I think

sometimes people just 10 years.

blows by or 20 years blows by and you look back and you wonder what happened.

And I give you a lot of credit for opening your mind and being still and being open.

And who knows where this will go.

I told you, I said, my spirit is just whatever I can do to guide you and help you.

And if God sees fit, that we join forces some way somehow, then I think it would be great.

I think you're so gifted.

And when I saw you and I started talking to you and I was driving home thinking about

our conversation, you know, I'm thinking like, wow, you have so many gifts.

There's literally like four or five things that I could see you doing just here.

Let alone me making a phone call to other friends of mine.

And I just think you're one of those, one of those people that have so many gifts in

you that whatever you set your mind on, wherever you end up being, that place is going

to be blessed to have you there.

And I just know that I've been around a lot of people in business for the last 14 years.

And I haven't met many people that have given me immediate confidence in their ability

like I've gotten from you.

And I think that the two key things that stand out to me is your heart for people and your

ability to connect with people, with different people from different walks of life.

You know, I think in our conversations, you know, you were just, you know, my passion is

people.

You know, that you said my passion is people.

And that's my passion.

Well, that's God giving us that heart for more and wanting to help in whatever way service

means.

You know, I'm kind of one of those that if I had a nursing degree, I would love to help

people in that medical level.

If God gave me a teaching degree, I'd love to educate those kids in the classroom.

So I humbly appreciate everything you've just said because that just, it means so much

that that is how I'm being portrayed.

That means so much that that is what you take away as a successful businessman that you

are and you are seeing every walk of life come through your agency, whether it's on an

employment level or the people you service through insurance.

I appreciate that more than you know.

And that's kind of where I just was wanting to hit pause because when you realize that

you can't have faith over fear and you can realize that God has given you these tools.

He's giving you peace that is rare sometimes.

He's giving me peace to say, hold on.

You are meant for more.

And I want to humbly accept that because I like work and I like to do things and I just

want to be able to say, okay, I'm working hard and I'm not worried about those student

loans defaulting like they are.

I'm going to work hard and I'm not worried about that car.

That payment is made and then I still can go through Chick-fil-A and get that Chick-fil-A

sandwich I need that it's not going to just break the bank because they're a little more

pricey than McDonald's, okay?

My pleasure.

So exactly and I'll tell them my pleasure for giving you my money that it's not going

to break the bank.

So there's just that whole moment of you can't get time back and we don't know how much

time we have.

We none of us and we are not granted anything more than right now.

So it says a lot about you to listen to that voice.

It's hard.

I know there's more in me.

I know I got more in me.

Something in me is calling me.

It's driving me to know that there's just something bigger and I agree with that voice.

I agree with your spirit.

I agree with there.

There is and I hope it's here but I know there's something bigger that you're called to

do in this world because you got some special guests.

Why don't we start wrapping it up talking about work ethic?

There's a quote that I use sometimes that says when you adopt the habits of success, success

becomes a habit.

So there's some habits that stand out to me and there's different definitions of success.

I think people typically think success, you automatically go to money.

That's not the full definition to me.

So I think you've been very successful.

I think you're going to be even more successful.

In your opinion, what are some habits?

What are some things that you found being around others, interviewing others in the media?

What are things that you've seen adopted yourself, found that are habits of success that you

think you would give advice to somebody else out there?

I want to play off your financial thing because of course money is the biggest stress

or in Sony People's life.

But even if you're wallet's full and your heart's not, what is that?

When your heart is full, you can always make money.

So you'll always find a way to hopefully make that work.

So I think you have to understand that it's not always a world where you are seeing what

you're going to get.

What are you going to give?

Because if you're giving, you're going to get.

Does that make sense?

It makes a lot of sense.

You can't just be in this way.

I just was listening to a sermon.

And I mean, this is like within the last 48 hours.

You're like, preach it.

We're talking about, and he was talking about, which I steal stuff from.

So now we are talking about anything that you get from, that you don't give back to,

typically that relationship goes sour.

Even the earth, the clouds, they give rain.

And then that has the humidity happening.

The evaporation, that condensation, that water cycle.

It's just the cycle in a relationship.

If your spouse or significant other is giving to you all the time and you're not giving anything

back, typically that relationship will, and sometimes people become better receivers,

why receivers, then they are givers.

And anything that you want, whether it's the earth, the grass, your relationship, anything

that gives to you, you got to be prepared to give back to it.

The more that you give back to it, the more that it will continue to give to you.

That's beautiful.

And that's how you add value in my opinion.

How about work ethic?

Talk to me about work ethic.

And I'd say this carefully because this can be taken out of context, but saying no will

set you up to have those blockages.

You've got to say yes.

Again, you have to know how to use the word no.

You don't want to be abused or anything in used in certain situations.

But when it comes to professional saying yes, means getting to know things that maybe

you're not going to use more than that day or days ahead, but you're going to know what's

out there.

You've got to keep going.

Then when your boss calls and says, hey, you've got to work the weekend all of a sudden

do it because you know what, you're going to work with new people that are going to give

you a chance to grow from those people.

You're going to see new people are going to see you.

They maybe didn't know that you work Saturdays and you don't know what's going to come from

that.

And then the appreciation of having work, you know, people that don't have a job, do

you know how hard that is?

That maybe they can't find the job.

The fact that you have work and you can do work, do it.

Okay.

Like, this has been the scariest time for me to say no to something without having something

lined up.

Like, honestly, sleepless nights, the bags, it's covered by cover up.

Thank God that women can wear makeup because the last month has been very trying on my

soul.

And again, you choose that faith over fear, but it's very scary.

But that work ethic knowing that I will never say no to having a job at a fast food joint,

saying I will work at a grocery store if it means just having a job before I know what

my career is supposed to take off.

I'm okay with that.

So as a worker, I think the young sometimes have that entitlement.

Like they're like, I just know what I want them to get there.

I can't, they won't take the steps to get there.

It's going to cost you weekends.

It's going to cost you holidays.

Like in the news business, yeah, we work a lot of Christmas's, but there's family in

that.

There's family in the fact that people are there with you.

So when you use your word grind, I love that so much.

Simon, because the grind is always going to be there, but how are you going to accept

that and let it be better for you and also that you can give to others?

Everyone's going to have to work.

So don't think that there's one escalator to get you to where you think you want to be.

You've got to put those steps in.

Take the stairs.

Got to.

The escalators isn't going to always work.

It crashes sometimes.

A friend of mine, Rory Vaden wrote a book called Take the Stairs.

I haven't seen that.

I'm going to have to get it for you.

But the, and your slimmer for it too, you know, so it's a win-win.

I'm working on it.

You're hilarious.

The thing about what you were talking about is those steps.

You know, a lot of times people want the prize, but they don't want the process.

Don't we all want a prize, but you can be able to appreciate the process.

We get that prize.

You're like, damn, this is nice.

I'm going to say that.

I had to, you know, apologize in advance, you know, to her.

I said, you know, once in a while, we were talking about the Lord.

Amen.

And I believe of an impact at my relationship with God has played and then I had to hurry

up and let her know like, hey, just so you know, I let one fly every now and then.

But the Lord knows our heart.

He knows our heart.

He knows we asked for repentance.

And sometimes it's just that passion coming out in those words, okay?

But no, we all want a prize.

Of course we do.

We'd be fools to say that we're not worried about making that money.

But you've got to be able to put in the work to make that money.

And that's just, again, that's the real life.

No doubt.

You've got to work.

Another thing I've noticed that sticks out about you and others that people want to be

around is attitude.

You know, you talk a little bit about, well, I get to do this job.

I get to, it's all perspective of things.

Attitude.

What I had a girl in my youth program that I was recently visiting in the last couple

of days.

And I find out that she, she, she got like that type of energy always positive.

Just want to be around her.

And she's like, you know, I saw, I start researching a little bit more about her, digging

a little bit deeper.

And I find out that she moved from California to Youngstown, Ohio, a change of, of, of,

living with parents and went from one school to another high school and just not an easy

situation.

It's tough as a team to go from the west coast to the east coast, have no friends, start

in high school as a female.

Yep.

And you come in and you have this positive vibe and attitude.

And basically what I gathered from her asking her questions was, is just, she just, it's

a choice that she just decided no matter what is going on.

I'm going to wake up and have a positive attitude and be grateful that, that, that I'm

alive.

I think that's a, that's one of the things that stands out.

Not always is everybody that's successful, super successful, have a, a great attitude

or positive attitude.

But more often than not, I see people that have that positive attitude as being one of

the foundations for, for greatness and first success, positive attitude and perspective.

What are your thoughts on that?

Well, what a wise young woman to realize that again because you have to choose joy.

It is not going to be life that throws you everything that's rainbow is in butterflies

by any means.

And again, I can understand her in some ways.

When I was 18 years old, up until 18, I had never been on an airplane, never traveled.

I lived a very sheltered life in young town.

Again, why I was embarrassed to be Asian because I didn't know Asians.

I was in young town of Hyall.

My Italian ran blood, uh, rent thick, but I don't look Italian.

So I lived a weird life up to 18 where I didn't know where to identify.

My parents, I never traveled outside of young town.

My mom decides she needs to move to Georgia when I graduate high school because there's

an opportunity for her that she had sacrificed so much that she needed to do this professionally

to be able to grow in the insurance agency, actually.

So she was able to have people in her corner move her to Georgia.

My dad decides to take on a detail in Israel.

So I'm 18, never left the house in terms of flying on a plane or anything.

And I 18 going to college in Kent State University and my family just up in leaves.

So I'm like, okay, life's getting real.

And like that set me up to understand and appreciate so much.

So again, you don't know what people circumstances are and we can't change them.

Life is going to happen.

And you have to choose joy and how do we grow from certain situations?

You can't just go, you got to go and grow because if you just go 90 miles an hour and you

look at all the negative, that's going to overcome you.

You got to choose joy and say, okay, how do we mold this to be better?

You can't build a positive life with a negative attitude.

Yeah.

I think people just, we got to start at the basic foundation.

If you want to change, understand that if nothing changes, nothing changes.

And you can't even, even if the circumstances currently aren't perfect or great for you,

understand that it's going to be very difficult for you to build a positive life with the negative

attitude.

It's got to be positive attitude to build this positive life.

You talked about choices and I think that life is, you know, 90% of, of,

of, of life is how we react and 10% of it is, is what happens to us.

Amen.

Everybody walking has their own story.

You just never know what, what somebody else has gone through or is going through, even

though we typically look at someone and read a book by its cover.

But most people are going through stuff.

Like life is going to happen to everybody.

Yep.

Different colors for everybody.

You, it's going to happen to me.

It's going to happen to, and the more that I'm around and more that I learn about people,

the more I realize that it's just, it's a struggle to, to survive as the struggle, to

survive as the go through stuff.

And you can't always control the event, but you can control your response.

And if you can control your response, that determines your outcome.

And we're not perfect people.

You're going to have that day that you don't get out of bed because you're like crap.

What am I supposed to do today?

Let alone tonight.

Let alone how do I survive?

Because you can't just go to McDonald's because you don't have enough to go until you're

paid two days later.

Like that's real life and I get that.

Again, you don't ever want to feel well with me, but I've lived moments where you're

like crap.

I can't do it, but you can.

And you have to breathe.

And when you have those two steps out.

How do you bounce out of that?

So, say you're down.

Okay.

You mentally get down because we're human.

People get down.

Yep.

And so if you get down, I think the key is is everybody gets down.

Some people get up faster.

Some people don't stay down as long.

Some people stay down too long.

How do you get up?

How have you gotten up?

How have you survived those mental battles of the struggles of things that you've had

to go through?

Knowing that you don't want to stay down.

Knowing that you don't want to just stay down.

And then what?

It's so easy.

When you sadly see people that are homeless, they quickly lost a job, then they lost the

ability to pay for rent and it's over.

You don't want to fall into that where I'm just down all the time.

So when you have that day or days, then you get back up and you're like, okay, how do I do

better than?

How do I make that?

You can't be afraid to ask for help.

You can't be afraid to be humble and just say, I could use that moment.

Could you give me a breather?

And then like you said earlier, circle back, you give to somebody else.

You don't know what you have as a gift until someone's like, thank you.

That moment you talked to me or that coffee you bought me, it changed me for that day.

It gave me the coffee and I needed to stay out of bed because you gave me that coffee.

You just don't know.

So even when you have a moment to sit back, you just can't settle for sitting.

You have to get back up.

I agree.

And don't be afraid to ask for help.

It's a beautiful thing.

And there are people that want to help you.

No doubt.

I want to help you.

You're amazing.

I want to help you.

And I want to be help.

No, I'm just gonna have you.

I know you are amazing.

We're not taking no furniture over here

on the grind cast, ladies and gentlemen.

So stay tuned.

But I just want to thank you for being here.

Thank you for your spirit.

Thanks for on a whim.

You know, we just were walking up here.

I said, let's just do a podcast together.

And I thought you were gonna tell me,

maybe another time or just to just, we had no notes.

We had no game plan.

We just sat here and talked.

And I appreciate that.

I appreciate having you.

Thanks for joining us on an episode of the grind cast.

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